GGXRD-R2/Venom/Strategy

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General Tactics[edit]

Venom is a character that rewards good control of the game's tempo and thrives off of knockdown situations.

Venom's normals have decent frame data and great hitboxes when used in neutral. These normals can be leveraged to gain breathing room to set balls. Without balls, Venom fights on the ground from distances primarily utilizing his f.S and 2S pokes. They cover good horizontal distance for their speed, but be careful because they lack vertical control, have little active frames, and have lots of recovery. When poking with them from distances, one should also frequently cancel them into a ball set, the preferable option for sure if one don't have charge. Venom's Stinger and Carcass Raid specials are situationally very strong spacing tools and can be used to punish poor positioning and movement, and interact with his other balls to level them up. Balls augment Venom's neutral and oki significantly. Balls can enable strings which are normally impossible both on hit and on block. Usually Venom will only have time to set 1 ball in neutral, so it is important that the player utilize a mixture of SA, CR, Teleport, and normal moves in order to control space and set up for an opening to get a knockdown. Off of a knockdown venom has numerous options for oki. In brief: Venom wants to usually set a ball or charge a QV in order to set up safe and powerful oki.


Pokes[edit]


Venom's Poke Ranges
Venom has solid poking tools in neutral.

The graphic pictured here shows the common buttons Venom uses in neutral to poke out the opponent. 2K and 2S (the two lowest hitboxes to the ground pictured) are his fastest pokes. 2S reaches far enough to hit most characters at round start range. 2S is a mid so it does not need to be crouch blocked, and it is at just the right height that it can be beat with low crushes, and it can be low profiled by moves like Sol's Grand Viper. Far Slash is his longest poke. It is a balanced mix of speed and range with the hitbox extending 90% up the pool cue. 6P is the last of his primary pokes. 6P Does not have very many gatling options, and is on a forward input so it is very hard for Venom to store a charge during it. This makes it comparatively unsafe to whiff in comparison to f.S or 2S, but it ist still one of his best buttons.


Beginners' Starter Kit[edit]

The first thing you need to do before you touch the combos or the oki is to get used to Venom's buttons.

Combos are useless if you can't get control over the match and start them. You won't get good oki if you are not putting yourself in a good position for it with good spacing and proper combo routes. You should be comfortable with using far slash (f.S) and 2S to control space. You should be familiar with the range of Close Slash (c.S) because it is mandatory for most combos and pressure. Knowing your buttons and where you can use them is the first step to learning any character, Venom included.

Combos[edit]

This section contains very simple combos that will help you learn Numpad Notation and easy, reliable combos. Numpad notation, put simply, means that motions will be listed using numbers, and buttons will be referred to with the first letter of the button name. Special moves will use the button of the special and their name. for instance: InputIcon 6.png+GGXRD P Prompt.png will be written as 6P and InputIcon 41236.png+GGXRD H Prompt.png will be written as hQV. These combos prioritize ease and applicable theory over efficiency. More advanced combos can be found on the Venom Combo Page.

Combo Primer
Starter Combos
Numpad Notation In-Game Notation Position Notes Video Demonstration
c.S(3) > IAD > j.SHD6H Close RangeGGXRD S Prompt.png(3) > IAD > JumpingGGXRD S Prompt.png>GGXRD H Prompt.png>GGXRD D Prompt.png land > InputIcon 6.png+GGXRD H Prompt.png any Confirm vs standing enemies. https://youtu.be/5SZYytzlJyQ
c.S(2) > kQV > 5K > 6P BH > 6H Close RangeGGXRD S Prompt.png(2) > InputIcon 41236.png+GGXRD K Prompt.png > InputIcon 5.pngGGXRD K Prompt.png > InputIcon 6.png+GGXRD P Prompt.png Ball Hit > InputIcon 6.png+GGXRD H Prompt.png any Confirm vs crouching enemies. https://youtu.be/GBd9kbnJsYQ
ground throw > 66 c.S(3) > sCR > IAD > j.SHD6H throw > InputIcon 6.pngInputIcon 6.png > Close RangeGGXRD S Prompt.png(3) > InputIcon 2.png(Hold)InputIcon 8.png+GGXRD S Prompt.png > IAD > JumpingGGXRD S Prompt.png>GGXRD H Prompt.png>GGXRD D Prompt.png land > InputIcon 6.png+GGXRD H Prompt.png midscreen Ground throw combo. Charge sCR during c.S(3). https://youtu.be/ubYjD79yOgE
ground throw > 44 6P > kQV > 6P BH > 5P > 6H throw > InputIcon 4.pngInputIcon 4.png > InputIcon 6.png+GGXRD P Prompt.png > InputIcon 41236.png+GGXRD K Prompt.png > InputIcon 6.png+GGXRD P Prompt.png Ball Hit > InputIcon 5.png+GGXRD P Prompt.png > InputIcon 6.png+GGXRD H Prompt.png corner Burst safe ground throw combo https://youtu.be/X-vqgimvDyw
air-throw ▷ c.S(1) > kSet > 66 6P > 6H air-throw land > Close RangeGGXRD S Prompt.png(1) > InputIcon 214.png+GGXRD K Prompt.png > InputIcon 6.pngInputIcon 6.png > InputIcon 6.png+GGXRD P Prompt.png > InputIcon 6.png+GGXRD H Prompt.png any Air throw combo. The dash before 6H is short.
 Note: Potemkin, Leo, Bedman, and Haehyun can be combo'ed using c.S(3) while they are crouching. Other characters must be combo'ed with c.S(2) routes.

Everything from this point forward will assume that you understand Numpad Notation. If you do not, visit the previous page and study it.

For further information on Venom combos, combo theory, the damage and tension that they build, and who they work on, visit the Venom Combo Page.

Oki[edit]

K Ball[edit]

Cancel into 214K, and do a micro-dash jump and hit the ball with j[K]or[S]. The ball will hit meaty giving one a chance to go high, air dash into multiple highs, or empty low. If one manage to land on the other side, one can go low or airdash backwards with a crossup j.S. In addition, a whiff crossup j.P into throw can be an effective setup.

Most K ball okizeme loses some effectiveness as a mixup when one's opponent has 25 meter. Reversal Blitz will almost always beat this oki when the ball is launched with j.K, and if one's spacing is bad it could potentially beat the j.S hit too. The j.K hit will yield a better frame advantage than the j.S ball which forces one to choose between safety and advantage. This can be somewhat circumvented by jumping forward without running to hit the K Ball, then airdashing. In this case, empty low is mostly eliminated as a mixup, but one can vary the amount of overheads one do (such as j.SH vs j.SPS as strings, as well as adding Mad Struggle at certain points).

Be careful of Dragon Punches and other invincible reversals. one can also come down with FD as DP bait, but this limits one's mixup options.

  • Mixup options: Empty low, late airdash air buttons, late backwards airdash crossup.
  • Strengths: Gives access to a potentially blitz safe High/Low at long range. Gives a decent Left/Right at closer ranges.
  • Weaknesses: j.K BH loses to blitz. j.S BH has worse frame advantage than j.K. Sometimes pushes Venom too far away from the enemy to get rewarding follow up.
  • Required Setup: None.

S+P Oki[edit]

This setup is one of the easier 2 ball setups.

After a 2D(2) or long range 2D(1) knockdown, cancel into S ball and then P ball. After the P ball one needs to determine the distance of the enemy. If they enemy is further away, use micro-dash 5K to hit the balls. If the enemy is closer do a micro-dash 5P. This will give one 2 balls at different heights to create pressure from.

  • Mixup options: Throw, Low.
  • Strengths: Easy to execute, beats jump out, can bait DPs.
  • Weaknesses: spacing and wakeup-timing dependent.
  • Required Setup: none.
Basic Okizeme by Exil_TV

Blockstrings[edit]

Venom blockstrings can either be short and simple, or long and complex depending on screen position and ball presence.

As a general rule Venom's midscreen pressure is fairly weak and will often either leave a gap, be blitzable, or can be beat by FD. Midscreen is almost like a game of RPS between Venom and the enemy's defensive options. In the corner Venom's blockstrings become much more complex, and will change drastically with his usage of balls, special moves, and meter.

Below are a few simple strings to incorporate into blockstrings. The list is neither exhaustive nor comprehensive.

  • 2K c.S(2) sCR - a strong, short blockstring which opens with a low and ends with + frames from a projectile. sCR at this range is a good reset.
  • ending with QV leaves one -4 on block, but is often still safe because not all characters can contest the 5P BH option after QV.
  • j.SPS or j.SH into sMS are strong overhead strings that help one get back to the ground safely while putting many overhead hits on the enemy.
  • sSA is -2 at point blank and becomes increasingly advantaged when one can force enemies to block it from further away and with more levels of charge.
  • 2K is disadvantaged on block, but if the enemy is afraid of one's pressure or one have a ball one can use this to put the enemy into block stun while one walk forward and tick throw.

Matchup Tips[edit]

Axl Low[edit]

GGXRD-R2 Axl Low Icon.png Axl Low
-Smasher, 2018/03/18

  • Rensen eats only 1 level of each projectile, so charged balls force him to block or to trade with the projectile.

Baiken[edit]

GGXRD-R2 Baiken Icon.png Baiken

  • Throws are especially valuable because Baiken wants to get value of Azami.
  • Sometimes it is appropriate to use meaty buttons instead of meaty balls to throw off her gameplan.

Elphelt Valentine[edit]

GGXRD-R2 Elphelt Valentine Icon.png Elphelt Valentine
-Gastly, 2018/03/19

  • After a succesful 2S/f.S - if you cannot score a knockdown, go for QV ender even if it won't combo.
    • Ending pressure with ball set off of a lower level hit enables Elphelt to punish with 5H, sometimes even on hit.
  • Try to play around 2S range.
  • Avoid trying to fight Sniper at full screen.

I-No[edit]

GGXRD-R2 I-No Icon.png I-No
-Ryan Hunter, 2017/10/23

  • Learn to fight against note from half-screen. Avoid blocking the note if at all possible.
    • If note is too high to QV, crouch under it.
    • If note is between knee and shoulder height, QV it.
    • If note is low to the ground, jump over it.
    • Alternatively, use teleport movement to avoid the ball, even if you have 0 balls on screen.

Anti-I-No Guide by Don QUigoate

Jack-O'[edit]

GGXRD-R2 Jack-O Icon.png Jack-O'
General Purpose Anti-Jack-O guide by Dot_Nova

Jam[edit]

GGXRD-R2 Jam Kuradoberi Icon.png Jam Kuradoberi
-Peppery Splash, 2019/02/08

f.S/2S options on hit
Nothing - allows you to react to IAD j.P with 6P/Airthrow
Stinger YRC - beats 6H and leaves time to react to IAD j.P, but takes meter. No real counterplay from Jam.
Delay Backdash - Makes 6H whiff
QV - Beats 6H and other run-up buttons if done for the minimum charge time. Loses to IAD and charged Ryuujin
pSet > 5P > 6H - beats IAD j.P but loses to 6H if within 6H range. Loses to run up f.S if too close. Loses to charged Ryuujin.
set > backdash - avoids 6H and gets out of range of most run-up buttons. Can beat IAD j.P with 6P.

On block, options are mostly the same, however:

  • can't beat 6H after a blocked f.S/2S with 6P or stinger YRC.
  • Can beat 6H with 5P, but the reward is bad and loses to IAD.
  • Set > wait allows you to react to IAD, but will force you to block 6H or run-up buttons.

Ky Kiske[edit]

GGXRD-R2 Ky Kiske Icon.png Ky Kiske
Venom vs Ky matchup document

Learning Resources[edit]

Fighting Venom[edit]

Quick Tips:

  • Do not give Venom space to freely set balls in neutral.
  • f.S can be counter poked with most 6Ps because f.S extends his hurtbox into the pool cue.
  • 2K is -2 on block, so if he attempts to tick throw you with it then you can simply mash out with 2P or your character's fast button.
  • Teleport has recovery and can be beat either with an air throw, or a "meaty" button over his ball.
  • Mad Struggle's last hit can be Instant Blocked potentially netting an opportunity to throw Venom after he lands.
  • K ball j.K can always be blitzed on wakeup, and usually loses to invulnerable reversals.

Among other things, QV can be used as a oki tool, and as a blockstring ender. This creates a frame trap, between QV and the following button + Ball projectile. Be careful not to mash during this. This does lose to DPs and fully invulnerable reversals. Sometimes it can be jumped out of.

Notable Competitors[edit]

Guide Contributors[edit]

  • Tarkus - Hitbox Rips, Wiki formatting, Combo videos, Combos, Overview, Char Specific Mechanics, oki examples, Guide Graphics, Health Tables
  • BadoorSNK - "Picking an Oki", Combos, oki examples
  • mirri - CH QV Combos
  • Gastly - Burst Punish Combos

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