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Marie

Health: 9,000 Combo Rate: 60% Persona Cards: 5 Backdash Time: ?? Backdash Invincibility: 1-6 Movement Options 1 Double Jump/Airdash, Dash type: Run Play-style Setplay Full Frame Data Marie_Frame_Data_(P4AU)

Introduction

P-1 Climax Nickname: "The Antisocial Poet from the Hollow Forest"
Persona: Kaguya
Arcana: Aeon
Backstory:

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Overview

Pros/Strengths:

A variety of items to restrict the opponent's options.
Great normals and a great Furious Action means she is difficult to approach, especially from the air.
Lenient execution; very long hitconfirms and simple combos.
One of the best Awakening skills in the game.

Cons/Weaknesses:

Several combos are character specific, limiting damage output on some characters.
Very meter-hungry. Mixup and damage are limited without spending SP.
Needs space and time to set up her gameplan.

Weather System
Marie possesses a unique mechanic in the form of a weather system. The current weather is indicated by a small picture over her SP Meter. There are four possible types of weather that give Marie different buffs. The weather starts off Sunny and will automatically change to a new weather at the start of a new round based on the weather the previous round ended in. The weather of the next round will be one of the next two weathers after the one the previous round ended in according to the order below (sun>cloud/rain, rain>snow/sun, etc). The weather of the next round is decided based on the weather the round ended in and the tens digit of the clock when the round ends. If the tens digit is odd, the next round will start with the weather two after the weather the previous round ended in (round ends in rain with 53 seconds on the clock, so next round starts with sunny weather). If the tens digit is even, it will be the next weather after what the previous round ended in (round ends with cloudy weather and 67 seconds on the clock, so next round starts with rainy weather). The weather can be manually changed using her Ihateyouidiotyouretheworst SP skill by holding the button assigned to each weather type. Also worth noting is that in a Marie mirror match, if one Marie changes the weather, then the weather will change for both players.

Sunny: Her non-awakening SP Skills will deal 20% more damage
Cloudy: Summoning a cloud from Marie's bag will make 2 clouds come out instead of one. Her DP and Throw will also inflict shock status on the opponent
Rainy: Gives Marie a buff that passively regenerates her HP, makes awakening super shoot additional beams, and increases damage of rainy Ihateyouidiotyouretheworst
Snowy: Gives Marie a buff that passively regenerates her SP, makes snow Ihateyouidiotyouretheworst freeze opponent on hit

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Move List

Normal Attacks

5A

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
5A	200	Low	6	-	-	-3	-
Standing low. One of Marie's most common starters.
5AA	400	Any	12	-	-	-2	-
Second attack of her auto combo, used for stagger pressure
5AAA	1000	Any	11	-	-	-1	-
Third attack of her autocombo, special cancelable and safe.

5B/5BB

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
5B	500	Any	10	-	-	-20	Chest
Chest attribute, so beaten by sweeps. Most often used ground normal due to range and ability to lead into j.C loops or air combo depending on if the opponent is airborne or not.
5BB	600	Any	11	-	-	-3/+7	-
Fatal Counter. Can be delayed to be made plus on block.

2A

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
160	Low	7	-	-	-1	-
Can be canceled into itself up to three times on block, hit, or whiff.

2B

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
400	AUB	9	-	-	-8	-
Quick anti-air that can lead into big damage and meter gain. Air Unblockable. Almost no head invuln.

j.A

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
200	High	7	-	-	-	-
Quick overhead with a hitbox slightly larger than that of her 5A. Good for pressure as it can be canceled into itself several times.

j.B

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
400	High	10	-	-	-	-
Quick air normal. Great horizontal range makes it good as an air to air, but its lack of vertical range makes it less useful against grounded opponents.

j.2B

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
500	High	12	-	-	-	-
Second slowest air normal. Has a much better vertical hitbox than j.B, and slightly less but still respectable horizontal range. Gives knockdown. Bounces you away from the opponent on hit or block. Bounceback can be stopped by following up with j.B or j.C.

All Out Attack

All Out Attack
A+B

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
-	High	29	-	-	-18	-
Universal overhead, takes Marie airborne. Leads to lots of damage and knockdown.

Sweep

Sweep
2A+B

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
700	Low	10	-	-	-4	-
Fast, safe sweep. Used as combo ender for present pull, eye placement, or airturn backdash j.2B safejump.

Persona Attacks

5C

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
900	Any	13	-	-	-21	-
Great horizontal and vertical range, optimal counter hit combo starter. Tons of recovery makes it very, very bad to whiff. Dash cancelable on block and hit. Dash cancel on block is -5, so characters with 5 frame jabs like Akihiko can mash and hit you even if you dash cancel into blocking as soon as possible.

5D

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
400*3	Any	-	-	42 Total	-	-
Kaguya calls down three daggers to hit the space directly in front of Marie. Good for pressure

2C

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
900	Any	16	-	-	-19	-
Kaguya swipes down, pulling airborne enemies to the ground toward Marie. Best knockdown along with sweep. Useful anti air that can lead into big damage.

2D

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
400x3	Any	-	-	42 Total	-	-
Kaguya calls down three daggers of light to hit halfway between mid and fullscreen.

j.C

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
500,100*4	Any	13	-	-	+13/-5	Head
Giant sparkly divekick. One of her most used combo starters. Using this move is a commitment, so don't throw it out carelessly. Incredibly plus on block unless the opponent blocks the move before the movement starts, in which case it is -5. Head attribute, so it loses to most 2Bs.

j.D

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
400*3	Any	-	-	42 Total	-	-
Kaguya calls down three daggers to hit midscreen. If you airturn before doing j.D, the daggers will fall about one character width farther away.

Universal Mechanics

Ground Throw

Ground Throw
C+D

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
1000	Throw	-	-	-	-	-
Marie grabs the opponent and electrocutes them before launching them away. Wallsticks in the corner. Shocks the opponent during cloudy weather.

Air Throw

Air Throw
j.C+D

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
1000	Throw	-	-	-	-	-
Marie electrocutes the opponent in the air before launching them away. Wallbounces in the corner. Shocks the opponent during cloudy weather.

Hot Lightning

B+D (air OK)

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Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
900	Any	13	-	-	-25	-
Kaguya surrounds Marie in electricity that knocks the opponent away. Takes Marie airborne. Shocks during cloudy weather. Super cancelable on block or hit, but only into Shell of Denial or Shining Arrows.

Guard Cancel Attack

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Same animation as 5B, knocks the opponent far back on hit. Costs 50SP. Effective for escaping pressure, but is extremely unsafe on block.

Skill Attacks

Run Amok
236A/B (air OK)

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Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
A	600,300	Any,High	10	-	-	-4	-
B	700,350	Any,High	22	-	-	+2	-
SB	700,350	Any,High	22	-	-	+2	-
Marie's bag pulls at her and smacks into the opponent twice. Main combo ender for damage or using j.C safejump. Air version does not provide groundbounce except for SB version in special situations. SB version has armored startup.

It's All Yours
214A/B

Entering Stance

Good for oki and controlling ground space

Good for restricting opponent's air movements

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
Present Stance	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Present pull stance. A version pulls chocolate, B version pulls cloud(s), and SB version pulls both and does so faster. Can be canceled with D Can pull present faster by hitting A or B, button pressed does not change present pulled. Can press C during stance to pull Igor, an air unblockable fatal counter move.
"Dance, Fallen Angels" A during "It's All Yours"	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
"Dance, Fallen Angels" SB	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Pulls a present that will bounce along the ground until reaching the opponent, at which point chocolate will pop out and lick the opponent. Great for oki and generally limiting the opponent's movement, especially in the corner. A version triggers automatically after 4 seconds and can be avoided by jumping or rolling SB version has no timer and will change direction if rolled or jumped, though it can still be avoided by doing either at the right time.
Memories of Grief B during "It's All Yours"	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
"Memories of Grief" SB	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Pulls a cloud that hovers in the air over the opponent. B version shocks on hit. SB version shocks on block. In cloudy weather, an additional cloud comes out to hover over you.
Her Name is "Hope (Pandora)" C during "It's All Yours"	1000	-	-	-	-	-	-
Marie cancels her normal present pull and instead pulls out an Igor jack-in-the-box to launch the opponent high into the air. Fatal Counter Air Unblockable whiffs on Kanji, Sho, Minazuki, Labrys, Shadow Labrys, Teddie, Rise, and Junpei unless they're airborne or doing certain attacks.

Stigma of Condemnation

236C/D

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
C	700	Any	16	-	-	-7	-
D	700	Any	73	-	-	-	-
SB	700	Any	26	-	-	+3	-
Places an exploding magatama on the screen. C version places it right in front of Marie and explodes immediately, D version places it right in front of Marie and explodes after ~1.5 seconds, and SB version tracks to wherever the opponent is on the ground and explodes after ~0.5 seconds. S-Hold is C version Useful for ending combos or blockstrings if you want to keep the opponent away from you. D version can be used to set up a crossup after a knockdown. SB version is a very useful fullscreen punish/meaty

Abysmal Evil Eye
214C/D (214C/D to Activate)

Good for negating projectiles and for oki

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
Set Eye	-	-	-	-	39 Total	-	-
Places an eye on the screen that vacuums the opponent and will either auto-detonate after ~3.5 seconds, or manually detonate when Marie does the move again. C version places the eye close, D version places the eye mid, SB version places the eye far. C and SB versions will autocorrect if they would otherwise go offscreen, D version will not. Vacuum is helpful for breaking up an opponent's blockstring. Absorbs projectiles! Eyes can absorb almost all projectiles, even Minazuki's wave super. Most of the exceptions are multi hitting projectiles like Margaret's 236C/D, Elizabeth's 236A/B, Adachi's 5D, and supers like Yu's Ziodyne/Yukari's Magarula. It will also not absorb any of Yukiko's Agi specials, though it can absorb a single agidyne (a single hit from the twirling persona will also dissipate the eye).
C	1200	Any	17	-	-	+16	-
D	1200	Any	17	-	-	+16	-
SB	1200	UB	17	-	-	-	-
Placed eye explodes, knocking the opponent into the air. Can be done manually by repeating the input for an already placed eye, or it will happen automatically after ~3.5 seconds Eye detonation has tuns of blockstun, allowing for extended blockstrings.

SP Skill Attacks

Shell of Denial

Shell of Denial
236236A/B (air OK)

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
A	1500	Any	4+1	-	-	-17	-
B	2000	Any	4+13	-	-	-17	-
SB	2000	Any	4+1	-	-	-5	-
Marie creates a shell around her, knocking enemies away to the other side of the screen. Reversal super with invuln startup Does more damage in sunny weather Pushes the opponent back a fair amount, making it pseudo-safe unless instant blocked or used when the opponent is in the corner, though a few characters have that are fast enough and cover enough space to punish it.

ShutupIhateyouyoustupidjerk

236236C/D

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
C	Varies	Any	4+10	-	-	-38	-
D	Varies	Any	4+35	-	-	-38	-
SB	Varies	Any	4+10	-	-	-38	-
Marie throws four cards, and then damage is dealt based on current weather conditions and the button held during the super. Most commonly used combo ender, does lots of damage and controls the weather. Does more damage if sunny weather is chosen when already in sunny weather. Does more damage if rainy weather is chosen when already in rainy weather, but proration is poor, so sun is better for ending a combo in these cases. Freezes on hit once per combo if snow is chosen when already in snowy weather. Can use this to combo super into itself. Shocks on hit if cloudy is chosen when already in cloudy weather. Cards beat out a lot of projectiles and work as a full screen punish for many things, but they can't beat anything that eyes can't absorb, including eyes themselves.

Awakened SP Skill Attacks

Shining Arrows

214214C/D (air OK)

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
C	-	-	4+27	-	-	-	-
D	-	-	4+27	-	-	-	-
SB	-	-	4+27	-	-	-	-
Kaguya appears along with three magatamas. Pressing C or D will use a magatama to create a beam that will travel across the screen on the same vertical plane as the opponent. Beams come from one direction and then pass back toward their origin. C beams start on Marie's side of the screen, D beams start from the opponent's side. Fatal Counter Recovery Persona moves can't be used until all magatamas have been shot. Rainy weather makes each beam pass across the screen an additional time. Hitting Marie or Kaguya will end the super and remove all beams. SB version of the super makes Kaguya invuln, so hitting/grabbing Marie is the only way to end the super early. C and SB version let you manually shoot the beams. D version automatically shoots all the beams from Marie's side of the screen. Incredibly useful for mixing up the opponent, setting up unblockables, and more.

Instant Kill

Musubi no Ikazuchi

222C+D

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	Frame Adv.	Attribute
29094	Any	26+35	-	-	-	-
Marie summons a ball of energy that vacuums the opponent in and instantly kills them. Unlike Akihiko's IK, Marie's is blockable. Can be used to punish some DPs or supers, but not much else.

Strategy

General Tactics

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Tips and Tricks

Combos

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Midscreen

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