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[CP1.1] Valkenhayn Changes and Discussion

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With jB (which then probably became an S starter), I don't think it's that usefull if you can do the old route (since it gives back some wolf meter).

The problem with this lies in the 1s cooldown (which seems to be affected by hitstop too), either way, it sounds like more meter will be used for way less damage.

For instance, even 5B > 5C > tkj214B > IAD > 5D > j.AA > 5D > 5B > jBABBC would hardly give any meter back.

For jA, I guess it's better than nothing yeah, tho the damage and meter use is ridiculous.

So for now what is best to do is unclear and the 1 second cooldown makes it even worse.

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Assuming of course that it does work (which we don't know for certain yet) it will only help a very little bit. I have a few ideas that I'd like to test out though...

At any rate, best case scenario at this point would be: They didn't mess with his w[j.B] like they said they would and we can use that for mix-up instead. I suppose it's about time that Valkenhayn players actually used that normal.

Combos routes might need to be dumbed down a bit off of those starters, but if what Errol said is infact true (about them not changing the proration of Valkenhayn's wolf normals) then all his other stuff should be fine.

Wasn't BBCP 1.1 streamed or something, did they show any Valkenhayn footage?

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I'm not sure whether I should be worried about these changes or not. It's like one moment someone makes them sound crippling and the next they sound like they are not so bad. Hopefully things become clearer soon.

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I don't think jb is as tight as ja overhead wise, but that looks like an option. I really hope that change isnt final. Do we know if the version at jaepo was final? I'm still wondering about other routes that I use that are shorter and corner push pretty good. It just sucks because ja was the fastest poke in regards to mix up and pressure and a handy tool for confirming. This is kinda why I think they might recall it because it actually takes away from his mix up and poke game.

When is the console release for the update? It's kinda feels like tourney play won't mean much since the update is coming.

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Honestly, there's still too many confusing things going on with the patch all because of the supposedly universal jump attack buff. Proration doesn't matter much, no, but either way, so many things in these notes dont make sense, or else Relius would have a starter that has a p1 higher than 100. Somethins not right here (doesn't wanna see valk disappear lol)

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Honestly, there's still too many confusing things going on with the patch all because of the supposedly universal jump attack buff. Proration doesn't matter much, no, but either way, so many things in these notes dont make sense, or else Relius would have a starter that has a p1 higher than 100. Somethins not right here (doesn't wanna see valk disappear lol)

It's becasue the proration on air moves got nerfed, not buffed.

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Yea I don't really see it killing valk in tier placing. Just gonna be a bit boring and play style is homogenized due to the ja nerf.

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Thanks Dreize. I can read for the most part.

A part of me is telling me to enjoy the Valk we have now and wait for some concrete info/vids on how his play will change. I WILL NEVER DROP THIS CHARACTER! He was the best $7.98 or whatever dollars I spent to play him in CS2. >___<'

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My friends are asking me if I will be switching to Arakune. Problem is... I don't know how to play anyone else. I find comfort in the fact that our character is one of the un-nerfables. At least he has been up until now.

Valk is love. Valk is life.

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vita means Valk.

But yeah, I prob won't drop him, as I picked him up cause he was a cool butler man. I think this is just a matter of wait and see to be honest, who knows, he could still be silly good when one of the JPN Valk gods discovers you can now do like 9k meterless with w.5a or something. Don't be afraid friends.

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9K with an S starter is never gonna happen.

(and mid starter no way)

Taking an exaggeration seriously. Nice.

I'm just saying that I'm not too worried about his changes making him weaker. I'll still play him even if he was izayoi tier.

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*Use a gem/magic to summon Shyn*

Suya seems to have tweeted a lot about Valk recently. Can you translate interesting stuff he said for us, plebs who don't know how to weeaboo ?

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Sure. When did the preview start? I'll try to look for related posts from then forward. As for today:

https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435739030240522242

I thought about matchups during free time at work:

Favorable: Noel, Arakune, Nu, Tager, Tsubaki

Slightly Favorable: The rest, except

Even: Litchi

https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435810091992760320

(It seems to be just a list of things you might do revolving around grab...)

Delay grab

2A>2B

2A>dash>grab

Grab

2A>2C

https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435606844875083776

It's funny how often I hear the cries of Hazama and Valk players over the noise of the arcade.

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https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435428141264158721

Even though the bad matchup against Litchi is supposed to mostly be gone, I'm beating Koike less for some reason.

https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435376994302185472

When wolf and cat fight, there are no comebacks! Once you get touched, it's over! It's at least a 6-4 disadvantage. (Not sure for who. XD)

(I'm not really sure what the second part is saying. Something about being a kid-detective, haha.)

https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435368934796042241

Blazblue's all about peace and love, man~! (I took some artistic license here. Imagine it in a hippies voice.)

https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435360159167049731

(For understanding all the words in this sentence, I am having the hardest time decoding it. orz It's something about thinking it's almost over with N-O and then someone fights really hard or something I dunno leave me alone.)

With just a little more work on this, I think I'll be ready to face N-O again and land it on him in a serious match! (He's working on some tech. :P)

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The 6-4 Tao thing is confusing. How can it be slightly favorable, but in Tao's favor?

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Updating original post with clarifications.

Gameplay discussion thread please and thank you.

Do you mean the tweet translations in general or the question about Tao? Anyway, sorry Kiba, Imma respond to 50-50罠 since I'm already posting XD:

At the time, I thought he was probably just temporarily irritated. The later post was made after he "thought hard" about the match-ups. That being said, I actually was unsure if it was Tao or Valks favor, haha. It just says "6-4 disadvantage", but that could mean from his perspective or Tao's....

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https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435428141264158721

Even though I don't feel bad at the Litchi matchup anymore, I can't beat Koike

https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435376994302185472

Playing as Cat or Dog > Have no reversal, if I get touched it's over > At least 6:4 unfavorable matchup

second part is about this being the template, and we that realize it are part of the detective kids club?

https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435368934796042241

Blazblue's all about peace and love, man~! (I took some artistic license here. Imagine it in a hippies voice.)

https://twitter.com/ss_suya/status/435360159167049731

(For understanding all the words in this sentence, I am having the hardest time decoding it. orz It's something about thinking it's almost over with N-O and then someone fights really hard or something I dunno leave me alone.)

When I think about this version of the game ending, like I did before with N-O, I want to do another serious BoX set.

corrected

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6-4? I need to play some good Tao's then. I have not played that MU much.

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Thanks, Errol! That last one makes sense looking at it again knowing the English (in particular 今作 and 数決めて). I actually got my translation for that one from a Japanese friend, but he doesn't really know FG terminology so that's probably why he got confused.

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Holy shit ! Shyn and Errol, you guys are amazing !

Anyway, I thought he mentionned something based on the changes because he talked with a guy called abeshi_valken that also talks with Takenoko. I thought they were exchanging informations. Guess I was wrong to think it was the case.

Btw do you mind taking a peek at Suya's tweets during the 15th of february ? You might not find a lot of useful stuff though. Seems Suya talked mostly with a lot of people at this point (Ryo, Kouya, Miya etc).

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