VR-Raiden

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Maybe you aren't getting your jump out when they tech? That would mean you're pressing S too early. I do it as 95623S.

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What's going on is he's noticing the clear difference in timing of the meaty j.S connecting and the empty jump 2K connecting. Once it registers that it's too late for j.S to connect, he's automatically going to throw because he expects that you're landing. It's the same thing when people simply jump out of late airdash/empty low stuff, they block until you can't do a meaty, then jump. Meaty j.S/empty jump 2K isn't worth calling a mix up because there's too much time between when they would connect. Late airdash j.S/empty 2K could be considered a high/low mixup because they connect relatively close to the same timing. However this loses to 6P/throw OS or fuzzy jumping. Sol has to include conditioning for his basic mix ups to be usable.

You're pretty spot on for the most part I'd say. I'll add that another reason you don't see much WT in high level play is the existence of fuzzy jump/backdash techniques (buffering in jump/backdash on defense). When players get good at it, you have to really catch them off guard to land a WT. Stuff like empty jump WT or basic tick throws in general aren't as effective on people who are good at it. They can use it as a lower risk escape (in comparison to mashing out, which can result in them eating a huge counter hit starter). Typically that's how combos work in GG yeah. If you don't have corner, it usually takes resources or special hit conditions (like counter hit) to get strong combos. Yes, the opponent isn't worried about blocking high usually, since 5D is pretty easy to react to. But 2K has some advantages as a low other than hitting an opponent for trying to block high. Say for example they're in blockstun and you run up to pressure (like after GF YRC). If they hold upback, they will high block any non-low attack, or jump if they exit blockstun. 2K would hit them here. The same would be true of an opponent mashing backdash. 2K is good to stick in blockstrings to catch people trying to jump or backdash out.

That challenge is stupid, if I recall you just need dash momentum and starting point blank. You don't generally bother with 2D BR in corner, you use 6P instead wherever possible for free big damage thanks to the wall bounce.

There's something I don't really get where if you delay your jump cancel after a dashing attack, you retain the dash momentum when you jump. It did look like he had dash momentum on that jump. You can see the difference by just doing a dash c.S then immediate jump or delayed jump on the dummy just standing there. Delayed will move you forward more in air so you fall behind them.

Yeah I think doing whatever starter to DI combo that isn't capable of killing is pretty much always a bad idea. You end with 0 tension, they end up with tons of tension and Burst gauge from your combo. Even if it gets you a hefty life lead, it doesn't mean that much when it results in you losing your resources and them gaining so much.

Kudakero is the divekick, j.214K. It's good at beating anti-air attempts because Sol stalls in air then dives down quickly. It's unsafe unless spaced well, but with YRC he keeps the downward momentum so you shoot down during YRC slowdown. Which makes it a hard to punish approach from the air. If you YRC too early you just fall slowly vertically, to get the fast diagonal drop you time YRC for when he starts the dive. If you watch Kazunoko he uses this quite a lot.

Sounds like you stumbled on one of his primary flaws. Neutral game depends heavily on the matchup but I'll try to list some general things. For an idea of how each move is useful in neutral, you can check out his wiki page. For the ground game, in general you need to know what you can do to punish opponents that try to swat you away with attacks as you approach, or back away as you approach. Often if they notice they're losing out in attack exchanges as you move in, they may start backing up. Attacking as you approach examples: if Venom keeps doing f.S every time you enter it's range, you can BB in anticipation to whiff punish. Similarly if Ram keeps doing f.S, you can do dashing 2D to low profile it. Say Faust tries to f.S, you can counter it with CH 6P in anticipation. Backing up as you approach example: if the opponent backdashes when you reach about max 2D range or so, keep running and 5K as theIr backdash finishes. Normally getting Sol's counter-focused pokes to whiff is favorable, so they may try this to create space. These rely on reading how you expect the opponent to react to your approach. One of the best tools for getting in is YRC. Neutral YRC allows you to confirm the situation and act accordingly. This is a more costly but safer method of approach. Sol has lots of great moves to take advantage of this. YRC > Fafnir can hit stuff with slow startup, or catch backdashes for example. It's helpful on characters that summon stuff since it can hit from so far (Venom balls, Faust items). YRC also greatly increases your chances of safely approaching from air. Kudakero YRC and YRC airdash for example. Could go on forever but I recommend looking over his wiki movelist and strategy pages for other details. Feel free to ask more in here on anything that comes up. Also watching match vids of good players is good for seeing how to approach the neutral game in a matchup.

It came up elsewhere so figured I'd mention it here. If anyone comes here looking for a combo list of sorts, it was nuked in the forum update. We've been working on a replacement list on his wiki combo page. It's a work in progress. Eventually I plan to add some sort of guide to go along with it (basically update to the combo theory section there). http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=GGXRD/Sol_Badguy/Combos (For that matter eventually I'm planning for everything useful to be documented in the wiki, like anything in any other threads here)

https://twitter.com/S_mame_skmP/status/638201125200510976?lang=en New homing dash can lead to some hilarious stuff. https://twitter.com/x_preghiera_x/status/636565507013873664?lang=en While I'm at it these are his new colors.

Starting here we see some testing with character specific combos on Johnny and Jack-O. Fafnir, BB link in corner looks lenient on Johnny, and height specific on Jack-O. http://www.twitch.tv/joniosan/v/12644690?t=12m35s And here is a silly combo with the new 5D homing dash, along with a cool new green color. https://twitter.com/yandadayo/status/636177449638694912?lang=en

Information Use this thread to post, discuss, and analyze videos of Sol in Guilty Gear Xrd -REVELATOR-. To find Sol matches, please consult the "Video Databases" tab below the forum banner and use the search engines provided. If you know of any tutorial or combo videos that have yet to be posted, please do post them and they will be added to the opening post. Notable Players Herken [War God] Twitter: @Herkeso Shodai [Saint] Twitter: @SOLK00012473 Maruhan [Bounty] Twitter: @reinashiobu NOB [25th Dan] Twitter: @nobsol_7 Roy [25th Dan] Twitter: @Ume_MK2 Super Sol-ko [25th Dan] Twitter: @ohiro1225 Machabo- [22nd Dan] Twitter: @mcb_0726 Karinchu [20th Dan] Twitter: @asdf7hjkl Uki [Unranked] Twitter: @uki_0916 Mocchi [Unranked] Twitter: @mugentoubu2 Misc Videos Strategy/Tutorial Videos: Combo Videos: Ver.1.02 Footage GGXrd - Sol Combo Referral Video Part 3 by Bonchan Ver.1.03 Footage Combos to Use on Johnny by Endu Combos to Use on Jack-O' by Endu Combos to Use on Jam by Endu Combos to Use on Kum Haehyun by Endu Combos to Use on Raven by Endu Combos to Use on Bedman by Endu Ver.1.10 Footage Combos to Use on Dizzy by Endu Ver.1.11 Footage GUILTY GEAR Xrd -REVELATOR- Sol Combo Video by muto6 【GGXrdR】 Sol Corner Character Specific Combo Examples by Flasso