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|overview= Jiren is a counter character with explosive damage output and incredible defensive options, which fits with a guy who is usually stronger than the other person. Jiren has an assortment of counters, one of them working against pretty much anything except for Super moves, and one of them ruthlessly punishing button mashers. Speaking of unforgiving punishes, Jiren's {{clr|1|2L}} may just be the best of its kind with insanely fast startup, ridiculous pushback, and medium scaling, making his stagger pressure absolutely fear-inducing. His stagger game is scariest and at its best at the corner, where one unsuccessful challenge from the opponent is enough to open up unique, devastating combos for Jiren that build up a lot of meter. In spite of his incredible list of strengths, Jiren's mix-up game is definitely shaky, focusing primarily on staggers and frametraps to break defenses as opposed to traditional mix-ups. His only avenues for mix-ups are his {{clr|3|5H}}, a slow and reactable command grab, and IAD {{clr|2|j.M}}, which can be anti-aired.
|overview= Jiren is a counter character with explosive damage output and incredible defensive options, which fits with a guy who is usually stronger than the other person. Jiren has an assortment of counters, one of them working against pretty much anything except for Super moves, and one of them ruthlessly punishing button mashers. Speaking of unforgiving punishes, Jiren's {{clr|L|2L}} may just be the best of its kind with insanely fast startup, ridiculous pushback, and medium scaling, making his stagger pressure absolutely fear-inducing. His stagger game is scariest and at its best at the corner, where one unsuccessful challenge from the opponent is enough to open up unique, devastating combos for Jiren that build up a lot of meter. In spite of his incredible list of strengths, Jiren's mix-up game is definitely shaky, focusing primarily on staggers and frametraps to break defenses as opposed to traditional mix-ups. His only avenues for mix-ups are his {{clr|H|5H}}, a slow and reactable command grab, and IAD {{clr|M|j.M}}, which can be anti-aired.


Nonetheless players who love the stagger game, want to slow down the pace of play, accumulate massive damage, and in general love forcing the opponent into making mistakes will find themselves right at home with Jiren.
Nonetheless players who love the stagger game, want to slow down the pace of play, accumulate massive damage, and in general love forcing the opponent into making mistakes will find themselves right at home with Jiren.
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==Normal Moves==
==Normal Moves==
===<big>{{clr|1|5L}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|L|5L}}</big>===
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* {{clr|1|5L}} has decent range.
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* {{clr|L|5L}} has decent range.
* Pushes the opponent back considerably.
* Pushes the opponent back considerably.
Pairs beautifully with {{clr|1|2L}}. {{clr|1|2L}} > {{clr|1|5L}} pushes the opponent just far back enough so most 5Ls will whiff if they try to hit Jiren, enabling safe stagger pressure and very easy counters. Being safe on block is just a bonus. Note that there is an autotimed gap between this and every normal besides {{clr|1|5LL}} and {{clr|1|2L}}.
Pairs beautifully with {{clr|L|2L}}. {{clr|L|2L}} > {{clr|L|5L}} pushes the opponent just far back enough so most 5Ls will whiff if they try to hit Jiren, enabling safe stagger pressure and very easy counters. Being safe on block is just a bonus. Note that there is an autotimed gap between this and every normal besides {{clr|L|5LL}} and {{clr|L|2L}}.
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* {{clr|1|5LL}} lightly launches the opponent.
* {{clr|L|5LL}} lightly launches the opponent.
* Can also be jumped out of straight after.
* Can also be jumped out of straight after.
Solid button. The most common follow up to a {{clr|1|5LL}} launch is an Instant Air-Dash (IAD) {{clr|2|j.M}}. Even better given that {{clr|1|2L}} scales like a medium, meaning you can chain from there.
Solid button. The most common follow up to a {{clr|L|5LL}} launch is an Instant Air-Dash (IAD) {{clr|M|j.M}}. Even better given that {{clr|L|2L}} scales like a medium, meaning you can chain from there.
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* {{clr|1|5LLL}} is a projectile
* {{clr|L|5LLL}} is a projectile
* [] is on Smash hit.
* [] is on Smash hit.
Easily the coolest looking autocombo ender in the game. Has decent corner carry to boot.
Easily the coolest looking autocombo ender in the game. Has decent corner carry to boot.
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===<big>{{clr|2|5M}}</big>===
 
===<big>{{clr|M|5M}}</big>===
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* -6: not bad for staggers, but technically unsafe so it's not great either.
* -6: not bad for staggers, but technically unsafe so it's not great either.
If Jiren's lights were anything less than terrific, this would be his go-to for staggers. That being said, not half bad as a button on it's own. Mostly relegated to combo and assist/gapless blockstring filler.
If Jiren's lights were anything less than terrific, this would be his go-to for staggers. That being said, not half bad as a button on it's own. Mostly relegated to combo and assist/gapless blockstring filler.
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===<big>{{clr|3|5H}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|H|5H}}</big>===
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* Slower than average grab.
* Slower than average grab.
* Can only be used once per combo.
* Can only be used once per combo.
It is very slow, but you can occasionally catch people being complacent. ''DO NOT'' overuse it, as it is very easy for your opponent to mash out, however, being a normal, you can option-select this move by Vanishing anything the opponent does as a failsafe.
It is very slow, but you can occasionally catch people being complacent. ''DO NOT'' overuse it, as it is very easy for your opponent to mash out, however, being a normal, you can option-select this move by Vanishing anything the opponent does as a failsafe.


Useful in corner combos, as you can go straight into {{clr|4|5S}} > {{clr|4|2S}} and then Superdash. At mid-screen, you can use {{clr|4|5S}} and then Vanish.
Useful in corner combos, as you can go straight into {{clr|S|5S}} > {{clr|S|2S}} and then Superdash. At mid-screen, you can use {{clr|S|5S}} and then Vanish.
 
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===<big>{{clr|4|5S}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|S|5S}}</big>===
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* Can destroy other Ki Blasts and hit the opponent at the same time.
* Can destroy other Ki Blasts and hit the opponent at the same time.
* Projectile Invuln during startup.
* Projectile Invuln during startup.
* Cannot be superdashed through.
* Cannot be superdashed through.
The closest thing Jiren has to a beam. Being a {{clr|4|5S}} move, it carries some interesting properties like being able to gatling into Heavies and {{clr|4|2S}}, as well as being vanish cancelable on whiff. Amazing as a neutral tool as it can be thrown out on reaction to Ki Blasts without worrying your opponent will level 3 you in retaliation. Super invalidates Z Broly, which is always a bonus.
The closest thing Jiren has to a beam. Being a {{clr|S|5S}} move, it carries some interesting properties like being able to gatling into Heavies and {{clr|S|2S}}, as well as being vanish cancelable on whiff. Amazing as a neutral tool as it can be thrown out on reaction to Ki Blasts without worrying your opponent will level 3 you in retaliation. Super invalidates Z Broly, which is always a bonus.


Weirdly enough, it has enough hitstun to combo into {{clr|3|2H}} midscreen. It's most common use is combo-ing into {{clr|4|2S}} and {{clr|3|5H}} in the corner.
Weirdly enough, it has enough hitstun to combo into {{clr|H|2H}} midscreen. It's most common use is combo-ing into {{clr|S|2S}} and {{clr|H|5H}} in the corner.
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===<big>{{clr|1|2L}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|L|2L}}</big>===
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* Extremely good stagger button.
* Extremely good stagger button.
* Can be chained from {{clr|1|5LL}}.
* Can be chained from {{clr|L|5LL}}.
* Can be jumped out of. This means if you poke the opponent while they're in the air, you can immediately follow up.
* Can be jumped out of. This means if you poke the opponent while they're in the air, you can immediately follow up.
* Scales like a medium attack, making it a powerful starter.
* Scales like a medium attack, making it a powerful starter.
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'''Do not get hit by this.'''
'''Do not get hit by this.'''
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===<big>{{clr|2|2M}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|M|2M}}</big>===
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* Jiren's only low, considerably slower than the average {{clr|2|2M}}.
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* Jiren's only low, considerably slower than the average {{clr|M|2M}}.
* Easily half screen range.
* Easily half screen range.
Mostly hits when the opponent is blocking poorly/mashing during blockstun, expecting IAD {{clr|2|j.M}}, or some other option since Jiren's low threat isn't respected as much.
Mostly hits when the opponent is blocking poorly/mashing during blockstun, expecting IAD {{clr|M|j.M}}, or some other option since Jiren's low threat isn't respected as much.
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===<big>{{clr|3|2H}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|H|2H}}</big>===
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* Counts as grounded.
* Counts as grounded.
* Uses up Jiren's Smash.
* Uses up Jiren's Smash.
* Launches higher with more hitstun if Smash hasn't been used.
* Launches higher with more hitstun if Smash hasn't been used.
* Causes a wallbounce behind Jiren.
* Causes a wallbounce behind Jiren.
An interesting {{clr|3|2H}} that only really sees use if you're in the corner. It bounces the opponent off the wall behind Jiren, causing a sideswitch.
An interesting {{clr|H|2H}} that only really sees use if you're in the corner. It bounces the opponent off the wall behind Jiren, causing a sideswitch.
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===<big>{{clr|4|2S}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|S|2S}}</big>===
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DBFZ_Jiren_2S.png |The ''other'' {{clr|3|2H}}
DBFZ_Jiren_2S.png |The ''other'' {{clr|H|2H}}
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* Activates 1 frame after it catches something, but the overall invul is the same as {{clr|3|2H}}.
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* Activates 1 frame after it catches something, but the overall invul is the same as {{clr|H|2H}}.
* Uses up Jiren's Smash.
* Uses up Jiren's Smash.
* Launches higher with more hitstun if Smash hasn't been used.
* Launches higher with more hitstun if Smash hasn't been used.
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* Reflects weak projectiles.
* Reflects weak projectiles.
* Always wallbounces in the corner.
* Always wallbounces in the corner.
Much better than Jiren's {{clr|3|2H}} as an anti-air for several reasons. It has a more generous hitbox, is about twice as fast in being invulnerable, cannot be safe-jumped, is immune to ki blasts, and for the cherry at the top, has less recovery.  
Much better than Jiren's {{clr|H|2H}} as an anti-air for several reasons. It has a more generous hitbox, is about twice as fast in being invulnerable, cannot be safe-jumped, is immune to ki blasts, and for the cherry at the top, has less recovery.  


If blocked in the air, Jiren can go into 236X or even {{clr|4|236S}} to put the opponent on block for a mix-up with assists, or also frametrap if the opponent does not continue blocking. This move is also Jiren's primary grounded way of comboing into superdash post-smash use, (I.E. after {{clr|3|5H}}).
If blocked in the air, Jiren can go into 236X or even {{clr|S|236S}} to put the opponent on block for a mix-up with assists, or also frametrap if the opponent does not continue blocking. This move is also Jiren's primary grounded way of comboing into superdash post-smash use, (I.E. after {{clr|H|5H}}).
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===<big>{{clr|2|6M}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|M|6M}}</big>===
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* Counts as airborne.
* Counts as airborne.
* Uses the same hitboxes and hurtboxes of Jiren's {{clr|3|j.H}}.
* Uses the same hitboxes and hurtboxes of Jiren's {{clr|H|j.H}}.
One of Jiren's mixup tools, albeit not great. Thanks to his counters, {{clr|1|5L}}, and {{clr|1|2L}}, Jiren is actually quite a threat in Clash scenarios. This is likely to happen frequently as Jiren doesn't have any other grounded overhead to threaten with.
One of Jiren's mixup tools, albeit not great. Thanks to his counters, {{clr|L|5L}}, and {{clr|L|2L}}, Jiren is actually quite a threat in Clash scenarios. This is likely to happen frequently as Jiren doesn't have any other grounded overhead to threaten with.
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===<big>{{clr|1|j.L}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|L|j.L}}</big>===
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* Double-jump cancelable.
* Double-jump cancelable.
Useful combo extention tool in the corner after {{clr|4|j.2S}}. Hits a little higher than you'd like for mixups, but still usable. Good air jab overall.
Useful combo extention tool in the corner after {{clr|S|j.2S}}. Hits a little higher than you'd like for mixups, but still usable. Good air jab overall.
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===<big>{{clr|2|j.M}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|M|j.M}}</big>===
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* Good air-to-air button.
* Good air-to-air button.
This singlehandedly gives Jiren the fastest IAD overhead in the game, as it'll hit most crouchers on its first hit within 9 frames of startup. Its huge hitbox also makes it great for neutral and jabbing out Superdash.
This singlehandedly gives Jiren the fastest IAD overhead in the game, as it'll hit most crouchers on its first hit within 9 frames of startup. Its huge hitbox also makes it great for neutral and jabbing out Superdash.
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===<big>{{clr|3|j.H}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|H|j.H}}</big>===
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* [] is on Smash hit.
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* Knockdown state changes depending on Jiren's usage of his Smash.
* Knockdown state changes depending on Jiren's usage of his Smash.
Mostly used for Okizeme and safejump set-ups, otherwise is an inferior sliding knockdown ender to {{clr|3|j.2H}} or {{clr|2|236M}} > DR at the corner.
Mostly used for Okizeme and safejump set-ups, otherwise is an inferior sliding knockdown ender to {{clr|H|j.2H}} or {{clr|M|236M}} > DR at the corner.
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===<big>{{clr|4|j.S}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|S|j.S}}</big>===
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* Causes a light wallbounce.
* Causes a light wallbounce.
* High untech time, can combo into tag for mid-combo character switches.
* High untech time, can combo into tag for mid-combo character switches.
* Can be used immediately off the ground as a standard Ki Blast instead of {{clr|4|5S}}.
* Can be used immediately off the ground as a standard Ki Blast instead of {{clr|S|5S}}.
The neutral bully. This can control the entire screen when combined with a horizontal beam assist, j.236 and {{clr|3|j.2H}} and put the opponent under lockdown. Superdashes aren't too difficult to deal with, so surprisingly effective tactic is to alternate between {{clr|4|5S}} and a {{clr|4|j.S}} as low to the ground as possible.
The neutral bully. This can control the entire screen when combined with a horizontal beam assist, j.236 and {{clr|H|j.2H}} and put the opponent under lockdown. Superdashes aren't too difficult to deal with, so surprisingly effective tactic is to alternate between {{clr|S|5S}} and a {{clr|S|j.S}} as low to the ground as possible.


Enables near full-screen corner carry if done twice in a combo, and becomes [https://youtu.be/RuHR8ht7osM?t=1394 full-screen with the right vanish combo.] For damage/when you're in the corner, you'll be using {{clr|4|j.2S}} instead.
Enables near full-screen corner carry if done twice in a combo, and becomes [https://youtu.be/RuHR8ht7osM?t=1394 full-screen with the right vanish combo.] For damage/when you're in the corner, you'll be using {{clr|S|j.2S}} instead.
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===<big>{{clr|3|j.2H}}</big>===
===<big>{{clr|H|j.2H}}</big>===
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* [] is on fully charged.
* [] is on fully charged.
* Both the charged and uncharged versions cause a sliding knockdown when done in air. must use charged version to get sliding knockdown when opponent is grounded.
* Both the charged and uncharged versions cause a sliding knockdown when done in air. must use charged version to get sliding knockdown when opponent is grounded.
Primary way to get sliding knockdown mid-screen. To combo into the charged version, must be buffered right after {{clr|4|j.2S}} at the corner provided the hitstun decay isn't at the minimum.
Primary way to get sliding knockdown mid-screen. To combo into the charged version, must be buffered right after {{clr|S|j.2S}} at the corner provided the hitstun decay isn't at the minimum.


The guardpoint on this helps make Jiren a menace even in the air, as he's one of the only characters who has an airborne "anti-air" {{clr|3|2H}}. If the opponent ever superdashes at your screen control, they can be easily taken down with this.
The guardpoint on this helps make Jiren a menace even in the air, as he's one of the only characters who has an airborne "anti-air" {{clr|H|2H}}. If the opponent ever superdashes at your screen control, they can be easily taken down with this.
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===<big>{{clr|4|j.2S}}</big>===
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* Groundbounces
* Groundbounces
* Combos into fully charged {{clr|3|j.2H}} in the corner.
* Combos into fully charged {{clr|H|j.2H}} in the corner.
* One of Jiren's best tools, as it can lead to full combos easily with assists.
* One of Jiren's best tools, as it can lead to full combos easily with assists.
* Can end combos relatively close to the ground with this & convert into Level 1 mid-screen.
* Can end combos relatively close to the ground with this & convert into Level 1 mid-screen.
* You can IAD out of this move using Sparking!. This is about as crazy at it sounds.
* You can IAD out of this move using Sparking!. This is about as crazy at it sounds.
"Jails" into Super Dash at a certain distance (the opponent can GC Reflect since it's still just a Ki Blast), and can stuff the startup of a {{clr|3|2H}} from a slightly further distance.
"Jails" into Super Dash at a certain distance (the opponent can GC Reflect since it's still just a Ki Blast), and can stuff the startup of a {{clr|H|2H}} from a slightly further distance.


Due to the speed and angle, much more favorable for damaging combos over the other {{clr|4|j.S}} thanks to the links and rejumps the aforementioned traits provide.
Due to the speed and angle, much more favorable for damaging combos over the other {{clr|S|j.S}} thanks to the links and rejumps the aforementioned traits provide.
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==Special Moves==
==Special Moves==
===<big>Infinity Rush</big>===
===<big>Infinity Rush</big>===
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|1|236L}}/{{clr|2|M}}/{{clr|3|H}} (Air OK)'''</span>
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|L|236L}}/{{clr|M|M}}/{{clr|H|H}} (Air OK)'''</span>
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* Range of strikes becomes further the "heavier" the button. ( L < M < H )
* Range of strikes becomes further the "heavier" the button. ( L < M < H )
* L/{{clr|2|M}} wallbounces, they are mostly used at corner combos.
* L/{{clr|M|M}} wallbounces, they are mostly used at corner combos.
Jiren's best blockstring ender, being safe on block and a true string from his M/{{clr|3|H}} buttons. If you plan on frametrapping, it's usually better to use {{clr|4|236S}} instead.
Jiren's best blockstring ender, being safe on block and a true string from his M/{{clr|H|H}} buttons. If you plan on frametrapping, it's usually better to use {{clr|S|236S}} instead.


Because of its disjointed hitbox, the air version can be used to prevent superdashes after {{clr|4|j.S}}/{{clr|4|j.2S}}.
Because of its disjointed hitbox, the air version can be used to prevent superdashes after {{clr|S|j.S}}/{{clr|S|j.2S}}.
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*H launches the opponent.
*Covers a wide range, being the longest distance of the 3 versions.
*Covers a wide range, being the longest distance of the 3 versions.
*Air version groundbounces; so long as Jiren doesn't touch the ground upon connecting with this version, {{clr|3|j.H}} causes a sliding knockdown.
*Air version groundbounces; so long as Jiren doesn't touch the ground upon connecting with this version, {{clr|H|j.H}} causes a sliding knockdown.
Jiren's primary way of extending combos from raw Superdash into sliding knockdown.
Jiren's primary way of extending combos from raw Superdash into sliding knockdown.
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===<big>Shock Tornado</big>===
===<big>Shock Tornado</big>===
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|1|214L}}/{{clr|2|M}}/{{clr|3|H}}'''</span>
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|L|214L}}/{{clr|M|M}}/{{clr|H|H}}'''</span>
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* When hit with a physical non-super attack, Jiren will freeze and spin the opponent into the air with a judo throw. The opponent cannot escape.
* When hit with a physical non-super attack, Jiren will freeze and spin the opponent into the air with a judo throw. The opponent cannot escape.
* Jiren is invulnerable to assists or projectiles in the duration.
* Jiren is invulnerable to assists or projectiles in the duration.
* Builds half a bar on being hit by a strike or a projectile, and then up to 75% of a bar on successful counter.
* Builds half a bar on being hit by a strike or a projectile, and then up to 75% of a bar on successful counter.
* Duration is extended if it comes into contact with assists or projectiles.
* Duration is extended if it comes into contact with assists or projectiles.
Deals a good chunk of damage, but needs resources to combo after. Will only be triggered by the opponent's own physical hits while retaining invincibility to everything else, meaning {{clr|3|214H}} will ignore pretty much any set-up, even Piccolo {{clr|4|236S}} or Beerus Orbs.
Deals a good chunk of damage, but needs resources to combo after. Will only be triggered by the opponent's own physical hits while retaining invincibility to everything else, meaning {{clr|H|214H}} will ignore pretty much any set-up, even Piccolo {{clr|S|236S}} or Beerus Orbs.


If the opponent fires a beam at this and vanishes, they can still get punished by the Light and Heavy counters.
If the opponent fires a beam at this and vanishes, they can still get punished by the Light and Heavy counters.
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;{{clr|L|214L}}
* Stands and counters all physical hits.
* Stands and counters all physical hits.
The most common counter iteration of Shock Tornado Jiren will use, as it's 4 frame start-up will be useful for baiting the opponent into mashing a 6-frame jab on -2 situations, like after {{clr|4|236S}} or {{clr|1|2L}}.
The most common counter iteration of Shock Tornado Jiren will use, as it's 4 frame start-up will be useful for baiting the opponent into mashing a 6-frame jab on -2 situations, like after {{clr|S|236S}} or {{clr|L|2L}}.
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;{{clr|2|214M}}
;{{clr|M|214M}}
* Crouches, and only counters low attacks.
* Crouches, and only counters low attacks.
* 8 frames of recovery, and a total duration of 32. Better treated as a cancel to improve advantage than as a counter.
* 8 frames of recovery, and a total duration of 32. Better treated as a cancel to improve advantage than as a counter.
Has very low recovery. Ending a blockstring in his low parry gives considerable pushback to where only certain characters can challenge you without using their {{clr|2|2M}}. And if they do use {{clr|2|2M}} the move counters them, and if they use anything else the low recovery can make Jiren safe. You can also use {{clr|2|214M}}'s reduced recovery to enable some links in combos, such as a Super Jump extension after a Smash {{clr|3|2H}}.
Has very low recovery. Ending a blockstring in his low parry gives considerable pushback to where only certain characters can challenge you without using their {{clr|M|2M}}. And if they do use {{clr|M|2M}} the move counters them, and if they use anything else the low recovery can make Jiren safe. You can also use {{clr|M|214M}}'s reduced recovery to enable some links in combos, such as a Super Jump extension after a Smash {{clr|H|2H}}.


Since this move only counters lows compares to the other two catching all, this should not be treated as a counter at all outside of flaunting your ability to see into the future. Very risky to do so.
Since this move only counters lows compares to the other two catching all, this should not be treated as a counter at all outside of flaunting your ability to see into the future. Very risky to do so.
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;{{clr|3|214H}}
;{{clr|H|214H}}
* Stands and counters all physical hits.
* Stands and counters all physical hits.
* Invincible from frame 1.
* Invincible from frame 1.
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===<big>Grand Charge</big>===
===<big>Grand Charge</big>===
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|4|236S}}'''</span>
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|S|236S}}'''</span>
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* Invulnerable to projectiles and assists while the barrier is up.
* Invulnerable to projectiles and assists while the barrier is up.
* Ridiculously high damage combo filler.
* Ridiculously high damage combo filler.
* Frame-traps from any normal.
* Frame-traps from any normal.
* Has medium scaling, leading to insane damage.
* Has medium scaling, leading to insane damage.
Travels 50% of the screen and is absolutely devastating to get hit by. Be a bit wary since it's on the slower side compared to other lariats.
Travels 50% of the screen and is absolutely devastating to get hit by. Be a bit wary since it's on the slower side compared to other lariats.


Can be used after a {{clr|3|j.2H}} ender for a tad-bit better Okizeme.
Can be used after a {{clr|H|j.2H}} ender for a tad-bit better Okizeme.
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===<big>Counter Impact</big>===
===<big>Counter Impact</big>===
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|4|214S}}'''</span>
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|S|214S}}'''</span>
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* Guard point against all attacks except throws, Supers, and Sparking Blast.
* Guard point against all attacks except throws, Supers, and Sparking Blast.
* Hold the button to extend the parry duration.
* Hold the button to extend the parry duration.
* On successful parry, Jiren teleports to the opponent's location, performing a ground throw if they're grounded or an air throw if they're airborne.
* On successful parry, Jiren teleports to the opponent's location, performing a ground throw if they're grounded or an air throw if they're airborne.
* The opponent can punish this by correctly timing a Vanish, reversal, or specific move that can beat it, including a grounded {{clr|3|2H}}.
* The opponent can punish this by correctly timing a Vanish, reversal, or specific move that can beat it, including a grounded {{clr|H|2H}}.
* Will whiff on a move that would go behind Jiren after the parry, except for Rebellion Spear.
* Will whiff on a move that would go behind Jiren after the parry, except for Rebellion Spear.
* Values in [] are for the actual counterattack.
* Values in [] are for the actual counterattack.
A "beats all" fullscreen counter move, at the cost of lesser immediate reward than 214X. Combined with Jiren's ability to keep the opponent away, {{clr|4|214S}} can now make the opponent afraid to challenge with anything at all, slowing down the pace of the game and making Jiren's on-screen presence insurmountable. While the opponent has a handful of counter-play options for this move, it isn't always easy to do it on reaction in the midst of the game. Don't overuse the move, otherwise the opponent might just raw level 3 and end your life right there.
A "beats all" fullscreen counter move, at the cost of lesser immediate reward than 214X. Combined with Jiren's ability to keep the opponent away, {{clr|S|214S}} can now make the opponent afraid to challenge with anything at all, slowing down the pace of the game and making Jiren's on-screen presence insurmountable. While the opponent has a handful of counter-play options for this move, it isn't always easy to do it on reaction in the midst of the game. Don't overuse the move, otherwise the opponent might just raw level 3 and end your life right there.


In the corner, you can convert off of it meterless with the right combo. Will whiff on most DPs, but alternatively this also allows for a punish if the opponent doesn't Vanish out of it. Does not whiff against the DPs of SS Vegeta, Beerus, Cooler, SSB Gogeta's Heavy DP, and both Gohans' Heavy DPs. Although the situations where this will come into play aren't overly common, the threat of {{clr|4|214S}} is drastically increased when they do.
In the corner, you can convert off of it meterless with the right combo. Will whiff on most DPs, but alternatively this also allows for a punish if the opponent doesn't Vanish out of it. Does not whiff against the DPs of SS Vegeta, Beerus, Cooler, SSB Gogeta's Heavy DP, and both Gohans' Heavy DPs. Although the situations where this will come into play aren't overly common, the threat of {{clr|S|214S}} is drastically increased when they do.
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* Causes a wallbounce.
* Causes a wallbounce.
Hits about mid-screen length. Absolutely fantastic as both a combo and blockstring assist, as it has great frame advantage as well as re-centering and wallbouncing the opponent on hit. It's also quite possible to use as a neutral tool if you use it like a wall on demand, as its disjoint makes it hard to challenge.
Hits about mid-screen length. Absolutely fantastic as both a combo and blockstring assist, as it has great frame advantage as well as re-centering and wallbouncing the opponent on hit. It's also quite possible to use as a neutral tool if you use it like a wall on demand, as its disjoint makes it hard to challenge.
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*Retains projectile and assist invul like the normal version.
*Retains projectile and assist invul like the normal version.
A fast lariat-style assist, similar to Bardock A but in fact travels farther (Jiren spawns further). Projectile invulnerability makes it a compelling choice, but Assist A is the go-to unless your character relies on command grabs.
A fast lariat-style assist, similar to Bardock A but in fact travels farther (Jiren spawns further). Projectile invulnerability makes it a compelling choice, but Assist A is the go-to unless your character relies on command grabs.
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* Projectile invulnerable like {{clr|4|5S}}.
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* Projectile invulnerable like {{clr|S|5S}}.
* Gives a free confirm on hit.
* Gives a free confirm on hit.
Another good assist. Mostly a neutral and combo assist, as +25 usually isn't enough frame advantage to get a mixup on block. As a neutral tool, it's fantastic. Blows through Ki Blasts, clashes with beams, and gives a free confirm on hit.
Another good assist. Mostly a neutral and combo assist, as +25 usually isn't enough frame advantage to get a mixup on block. As a neutral tool, it's fantastic. Blows through Ki Blasts, clashes with beams, and gives a free confirm on hit.
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==Super Moves==
==Super Moves==
===<big>Colossal Slash</big>===
===<big>Colossal Slash</big>===
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|1|236L}}+{{clr|2|M}} (Air OK)'''</span>
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|L|236L}}+{{clr|M|M}} (Air OK)'''</span>
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* Minimum damage: 74*11 (814)
* Minimum damage: 74*11 (814)
* If used on the ground/as a DHC, sets up an IAD safejump that beats {{clr|3|2H}}.
* If used on the ground/as a DHC, sets up an IAD safejump that beats {{clr|H|2H}}.
This is a pretty good super to DHC from, and in conjunction with a really fast/low recovery super, can set up for solid post level 1 oki at the corner, similar to Kid Buu's aerial super.
This is a pretty good super to DHC from, and in conjunction with a really fast/low recovery super, can set up for solid post level 1 oki at the corner, similar to Kid Buu's aerial super.
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===<big>Colossal Uppercut</big>===
===<big>Colossal Uppercut</big>===
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|3|236H}}+{{clr|4|S}}'''</span>
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|H|236H}}+{{clr|S|S}}'''</span>
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* Minimum damage: 910
* Minimum damage: 910
* Impaired horizontal range
* Impaired horizontal range
The definitive super for finishing opponents, and grants very desirable oki post-use, but less than a regular sliding knockdown. Has some good DHC potential, such as enabling Goku's [[DBFZ/Goku#Super_Spirit_Bomb| Super Spirit Bomb]] to land.
The definitive super for finishing opponents, and grants very desirable oki post-use, but less than a regular sliding knockdown. Has some good DHC potential, such as enabling Goku's [[DBFZ/Goku#Super_Spirit_Bomb| Super Spirit Bomb]] to land.
Can also be DHC'd into by DHCing into a KO'd character slot.
Can also be DHC'd into by DHCing into a KO'd character slot.
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===<big>Blazing Magnetron</big>===
===<big>Blazing Magnetron</big>===
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|1|214L}}+{{clr|2|M}} or {{clr|3|214H}}+{{clr|4|S}}'''</span>
<span class="input-badge">'''{{clr|L|214L}}+{{clr|M|M}} or {{clr|H|214H}}+{{clr|S|S}}'''</span>
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* Minimum Damage: 400*2, 989 (1789)
* Minimum Damage: 400*2, 989 (1789)
* Deceptive range; explosion and red smear all are hitboxes that lead to full connect. This means that it has a small hitbox behind Jiren as well, which also connects.
* Deceptive range; explosion and red smear all are hitboxes that lead to full connect. This means that it has a small hitbox behind Jiren as well, which also connects.
* Leaves Jiren +28 on hit.
* Leaves Jiren +28 on hit.
High damage for a level 3, but below average advantage. Jiren's safest option is IAD {{clr|2|j.M}}.
High damage for a level 3, but below average advantage. Jiren's safest option is IAD {{clr|M|j.M}}.
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Revision as of 23:37, 13 May 2022

Overview

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Normal Moves

5L

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
5L 400 All 6 3 12 -3
5LL 700 All 11 5 21 -10
5LLL 600 / 300,700 All U3+ 13 1, - 25 -5 1-13 Head

  • 5L has decent range.
  • Pushes the opponent back considerably.

Pairs beautifully with 2L. 2L > 5L pushes the opponent just far back enough so most 5Ls will whiff if they try to hit Jiren, enabling safe stagger pressure and very easy counters. Being safe on block is just a bonus. Note that there is an autotimed gap between this and every normal besides 5LL and 2L.


  • 5LL lightly launches the opponent.
  • Can also be jumped out of straight after.

Solid button. The most common follow up to a 5LL launch is an Instant Air-Dash (IAD) j.M. Even better given that 2L scales like a medium, meaning you can chain from there.


  • 5LLL is a projectile
  • [] is on Smash hit.

Easily the coolest looking autocombo ender in the game. Has decent corner carry to boot.

5M

5H

5S

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
900 All 21 5 31 -10 4-22 Ki Blasts

  • Can destroy other Ki Blasts and hit the opponent at the same time.
  • Projectile Invuln during startup.
  • Cannot be superdashed through.

The closest thing Jiren has to a beam. Being a 5S move, it carries some interesting properties like being able to gatling into Heavies and 2S, as well as being vanish cancelable on whiff. Amazing as a neutral tool as it can be thrown out on reaction to Ki Blasts without worrying your opponent will level 3 you in retaliation. Super invalidates Z Broly, which is always a bonus.

Weirdly enough, it has enough hitstun to combo into 2H midscreen. It's most common use is combo-ing into 2S and 5H in the corner.

2L

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
700 All 7 3 15 -2

  • Extremely good stagger button.
  • Can be chained from 5LL.
  • Can be jumped out of. This means if you poke the opponent while they're in the air, you can immediately follow up.
  • Scales like a medium attack, making it a powerful starter.

This is what dreams are made of; the ultimate stagger pressure tool + ToD starter, and also makes the screen shake. Very fast and generous hitbox at eight frames. You must let the move fully end to let it pushback far enough to make enemy jabs whiff. Can still lose to characters with long-ranged jabs such as Vegito, Z Broly, and Zamasu.

Do not get hit by this.

2M

2H

2S

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
850 All U1+ 14 5 26 -15 4- Head, 2- Head Guard Point

  • Activates 1 frame after it catches something, but the overall invul is the same as 2H.
  • Uses up Jiren's Smash.
  • Launches higher with more hitstun if Smash hasn't been used.
  • Possesses a capture state so it can't be safe jumped, and the capture state makes it easy to hit-confirm.
  • Reflects weak projectiles.
  • Always wallbounces in the corner.

Much better than Jiren's 2H as an anti-air for several reasons. It has a more generous hitbox, is about twice as fast in being invulnerable, cannot be safe-jumped, is immune to ki blasts, and for the cherry at the top, has less recovery.

If blocked in the air, Jiren can go into 236X or even 236S to put the opponent on block for a mix-up with assists, or also frametrap if the opponent does not continue blocking. This move is also Jiren's primary grounded way of comboing into superdash post-smash use, (I.E. after 5H).

6M

j.L

j.M

j.H

j.S

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
400×2 All 13

  • Causes a light wallbounce.
  • High untech time, can combo into tag for mid-combo character switches.
  • Can be used immediately off the ground as a standard Ki Blast instead of 5S.

The neutral bully. This can control the entire screen when combined with a horizontal beam assist, j.236 and j.2H and put the opponent under lockdown. Superdashes aren't too difficult to deal with, so surprisingly effective tactic is to alternate between 5S and a j.S as low to the ground as possible.

Enables near full-screen corner carry if done twice in a combo, and becomes full-screen with the right vanish combo. For damage/when you're in the corner, you'll be using j.2S instead.

j.2H

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
850 [1000] High D1 23 [30] 4-11 Guard

  • [] is on fully charged.
  • Both the charged and uncharged versions cause a sliding knockdown when done in air. must use charged version to get sliding knockdown when opponent is grounded.

Primary way to get sliding knockdown mid-screen. To combo into the charged version, must be buffered right after j.2S at the corner provided the hitstun decay isn't at the minimum.

The guardpoint on this helps make Jiren a menace even in the air, as he's one of the only characters who has an airborne "anti-air" 2H. If the opponent ever superdashes at your screen control, they can be easily taken down with this.

j.2S

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
400×2 All 10

  • Groundbounces
  • Combos into fully charged j.2H in the corner.
  • One of Jiren's best tools, as it can lead to full combos easily with assists.
  • Can end combos relatively close to the ground with this & convert into Level 1 mid-screen.
  • You can IAD out of this move using Sparking!. This is about as crazy at it sounds.

"Jails" into Super Dash at a certain distance (the opponent can GC Reflect since it's still just a Ki Blast), and can stuff the startup of a 2H from a slightly further distance.

Due to the speed and angle, much more favorable for damaging combos over the other j.S thanks to the links and rejumps the aforementioned traits provide.

Special Moves

Infinity Rush

236L/M/H (Air OK)

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
236L 230×5 All 9 20 21 -5
236M 230×6 All U1+ 17 24 21 -5
236H 230×7 All U1+ 15 28 21 -5
j.236L 230×5 All 9 20 21 -5
j.236M 230×6 All U1+ 17 24 21 -5
j.236H 230×7 All U1+ 15 28 21 -5

  • Range of strikes becomes further the "heavier" the button. ( L < M < H )
  • L/M wallbounces, they are mostly used at corner combos.

Jiren's best blockstring ender, being safe on block and a true string from his M/H buttons. If you plan on frametrapping, it's usually better to use 236S instead.

Because of its disjointed hitbox, the air version can be used to prevent superdashes after j.S/j.2S.


  • H launches the opponent.
  • Covers a wide range, being the longest distance of the 3 versions.
  • Air version groundbounces; so long as Jiren doesn't touch the ground upon connecting with this version, j.H causes a sliding knockdown.

Jiren's primary way of extending combos from raw Superdash into sliding knockdown.

Shock Tornado

214L/M/H

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
214L 2300 All U2+ 4 25 15 4-25 All
214M 2400 All U2+ 1 20 8 1-20 Low
214H 2500 All U2+ 1 28 15 1-28 All

  • When hit with a physical non-super attack, Jiren will freeze and spin the opponent into the air with a judo throw. The opponent cannot escape.
  • Jiren is invulnerable to assists or projectiles in the duration.
  • Builds half a bar on being hit by a strike or a projectile, and then up to 75% of a bar on successful counter.
  • Duration is extended if it comes into contact with assists or projectiles.

Deals a good chunk of damage, but needs resources to combo after. Will only be triggered by the opponent's own physical hits while retaining invincibility to everything else, meaning 214H will ignore pretty much any set-up, even Piccolo 236S or Beerus Orbs.

If the opponent fires a beam at this and vanishes, they can still get punished by the Light and Heavy counters.


214L
  • Stands and counters all physical hits.

The most common counter iteration of Shock Tornado Jiren will use, as it's 4 frame start-up will be useful for baiting the opponent into mashing a 6-frame jab on -2 situations, like after 236S or 2L.


214M
  • Crouches, and only counters low attacks.
  • 8 frames of recovery, and a total duration of 32. Better treated as a cancel to improve advantage than as a counter.

Has very low recovery. Ending a blockstring in his low parry gives considerable pushback to where only certain characters can challenge you without using their 2M. And if they do use 2M the move counters them, and if they use anything else the low recovery can make Jiren safe. You can also use 214M's reduced recovery to enable some links in combos, such as a Super Jump extension after a Smash 2H.

Since this move only counters lows compares to the other two catching all, this should not be treated as a counter at all outside of flaunting your ability to see into the future. Very risky to do so.


214H
  • Stands and counters all physical hits.
  • Invincible from frame 1.
  • Will deal only recoverable blue health damage.

A go-to panic button. If you have the meter, it's a great tool to try and save Jiren, or even throw out once in a while to check your opponent and make them respect it.

You can also gamble using this in a situation where all pressure resources have been expended, and the opponent proceeds to take their turn.

Grand Charge

236S

Counter Impact

214S

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.
1500 Throw U2+ 4 [5] 22-51 20

  • Guard point against all attacks except throws, Supers, and Sparking Blast.
  • Hold the button to extend the parry duration.
  • On successful parry, Jiren teleports to the opponent's location, performing a ground throw if they're grounded or an air throw if they're airborne.
  • The opponent can punish this by correctly timing a Vanish, reversal, or specific move that can beat it, including a grounded 2H.
  • Will whiff on a move that would go behind Jiren after the parry, except for Rebellion Spear.
  • Values in [] are for the actual counterattack.

A "beats all" fullscreen counter move, at the cost of lesser immediate reward than 214X. Combined with Jiren's ability to keep the opponent away, 214S can now make the opponent afraid to challenge with anything at all, slowing down the pace of the game and making Jiren's on-screen presence insurmountable. While the opponent has a handful of counter-play options for this move, it isn't always easy to do it on reaction in the midst of the game. Don't overuse the move, otherwise the opponent might just raw level 3 and end your life right there.

In the corner, you can convert off of it meterless with the right combo. Will whiff on most DPs, but alternatively this also allows for a punish if the opponent doesn't Vanish out of it. Does not whiff against the DPs of SS Vegeta, Beerus, Cooler, SSB Gogeta's Heavy DP, and both Gohans' Heavy DPs. Although the situations where this will come into play aren't overly common, the threat of 214S is drastically increased when they do.

Z Assists

Assist A

Infinity Rush

Assist B

Grand Charge

Assist C

Flash Fist

Super Moves

Colossal Slash

236L+M (Air OK)

Colossal Uppercut

236H+S

Blazing Magnetron

214L+M or 214H+S

Colors

1Seasonal colors that can be unlocked at different times of the year.

2Unobtainable.

External References

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