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Not reliable as a reversal due to its slow startup and Gogeta leaping up making the beam whiff on crouching or small characters at close range. However with its extremely high damage and minimum damage, this Super acts as an '''Instant Kill''' that can only be used once Gogeta reaches Level 7. Unlike [[DBFZ/Android 16#Last Resort|another Instant Kill in the game]], this one has no drawbacks and can be combo'd into from Smash 5H, U+ Smash 236M/j.236M, Smash 22S, 236S, 214S, Smash Vanish, Sparking Blast, and so on. It doesn't matter how you combo into it or how scaled the combo is (even with Super Scaling), it will always kill. The beam is also multi-hit and stops applying damage right when the opponent is KO'd, so it won't give them 7 Ki gauges.
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Not reliable as a reversal due to its slow startup and Gogeta leaping up making the beam whiff on crouching or small characters at close range. However with its extremely high damage and minimum damage, this Super acts as an '''Instant Kill''' that can only be used once Gogeta reaches Level 7. Unlike [[DBFZ/Android 16#Last Resort|another Instant Kill in the game]], this one has no drawbacks and can be combo'd into from Smash 5H, U+ Smash 236M/j.236M, command grab, counter, DP, Smash Vanish, midcombo Sparking Blast, and so on. It doesn't matter how you combo into it or how scaled the combo is (even with Super Scaling), it will always kill. The beam is also multi-hit and stops applying damage right when the opponent is KO'd, so it won't give them 7 Ki gauges.
  
 
It is not all that hard to reach Level 7 in a real match. Even without his own A assist, Gogeta can easily rack up 3 to 4 Levels per combo with the right team. Once at Level 7, the threat of being IK'd is always there since it's so easy to combo into, and despite you can't DHC into IK, it's possible to tag Gogeta in midcombo and do something like Vanish > j.214H+S instead. It can IK the opponent's assists as well, but much less consistent.
 
It is not all that hard to reach Level 7 in a real match. Even without his own A assist, Gogeta can easily rack up 3 to 4 Levels per combo with the right team. Once at Level 7, the threat of being IK'd is always there since it's so easy to combo into, and despite you can't DHC into IK, it's possible to tag Gogeta in midcombo and do something like Vanish > j.214H+S instead. It can IK the opponent's assists as well, but much less consistent.

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Overview

Overview

Gogeta (SS4) is the ultimate tribute to a long history of Dragon Ball fighting games, and was frequently designed as a "final boss" character in them. This idea was retained for DBFZ; Gogeta is given stupendous normals, staggering utility tools, and unique mechanics. He is the only character in FighterZ to have two airdashes, and can routinely buff his super damage with his unique cancellable taunt, Finish Sign, leveling him up for each use. Get to Level 7 you have the definitive, instant killing, 100x Big Bang Kamehameha at your fingertips, forcing the opponent to chase him down even at their own peril to stop him from leveling up. Gogeta also takes the classic route by being an all out brawler, without any real ranged options, and fighting like a cocky bastard, leaving little versatile assist options for his teammates.

With learning his very unique routes and optimizing use of Finish Sign to most effectively deal damage, Gogeta is a complete steamroller. If you like unparalleled fundamentals and total coolness, and can trade for fusion gimmicks and risks, then feast your eyes on the capabilities of GT's Gogeta and his glorious red hair.

Note: Not to be confused with his canonical Dragon Ball Super counterpart, SSB Gogeta. To differentiate the two, some refer to SS4 Gogeta as "Goget4."

"I am neither Goku nor Vegeta. I'm the guy who's going to stop you!"
Lore:In a bid to stop the almighty shadow dragon, Omega Shenron, both Goku and Vegeta unified with the Metamoran fusion dance to birth Gogeta, the ultimate fusion. With the combined power of two Super Saiyan Fours, he literally dominated Omega Shenron, utterly draining him of his power. Unfortunately, Gogeta was unable to finish off Omega Shenron before defusing, however the temporary victory was instrumental in the shadow dragon's eventual defeat.
Voice:Japanese: Masako Nozawa/Ryō Horikawa English: Sean Schemmel/Christoper Sabat
Playstyle
SS4 Gogeta is a combo monster who takes the bare-knuckle route to getting in your face and pummeling you into oblivion
Pros Cons
  • Brilliant Buttons: Fast and long range normals, especially in his mediums that can frequently enable big punishes by utilizing frametraps.
  • Pressure Monster: Has two airdashes, enabling a unique air game and fortifying left-right mix-ups and overheads. Add this to his buttons and command grab, and this makes Gogeta impossible to predict, enabling him to nuke his opponent's defense.
  • Defensive Tools: An Air-OK Counter, a projectile-crush lariat, and a 360 DP make Gogeta hard to approach, and somewhat compensates for his lack of ranged tools.
  • Finish Sign: His taunt allows him to build levels to buff the damage on his supers, and can be covered with assists and also cancelled early with most moves. Seven levels enables his instant kill Super, x100 Big Bang Kamehameha.
  • Cool: Super Cool.
  • Offensive Neutral: Gogeta has zero ranged options besides universal mechanics, with no beams or ki blasts, which puts him in severe danger versus zoners. He relies heavily on being aggresive with normals and airdashes to get in.
  • Finish Sign Reliance: Ultimate Impact has low base damage, and any super drains all levels, forcing a trade between using an upgraded Super or saving up for the instant kill. Micromanagement of levels is monotenous, but required to maximise Gogeta's potential.
    • Loss of Pressure: To build levels of Finish Sign safely, Gogeta must often sacrifice favourable pressure or oki.

Gogeta has a unique taunt activated with 6S. For each use of the taunt, Gogeta gains a bit of meter and levels up, maxing out at Level 7. Gogeta's A Assist can also stack these Finish Sign levels, however it only goes up to Level 5. Each level increases the damage of his supers. At Level 7, Gogeta gains access to the x100 Big Bang Kamehameha, a Level 3 that will always kill the opponent if it hits, and can still be comboed into. He will build a quarter bar should he taunt again while still Level 7. Gogeta reverts back to Level 0 after using any of his supers.

Double Airdash

Gogeta can airdash twice with no limitations or prior requirements (e.g. an install). Gogeta can either airdash twice or double jump into an airdash, but he cannot airdash and then double jump.

Normal Moves

5L

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.The number of frames this attack has invulnerability, and what attribute(s) this invulnerability applies to.
5L
5LL
5LLL

5L
  • Good range for a jab
  • Hits high enough to check opponents after a blocked superdash.

Standard speed 5L. Very nice for stagger pressure.


5LL
  • 5L > 5LL will get Reflected twice, pushing Gogeta back to full screen. But delaying 5LL will make it Reflect proof.

Insane button. Large, sweeping high hitbox that can catch opponents behind Gogeta too, which can then lead straight into his 5LLL. Since it's a 5LL, it is a medium unscaled starter. It can be low profiled by some 2L and 2Ms, but that's just about its only fault.


5LLL
  • Switches sides on hit.

Amazing anti-air. Extreme directional tracking allows it to easily snuff out aerial approaches and continue combos even when the 5LL launches high. Being unscaled too makes this an all-around great multi-purpose button. Although it still requires you to input 5LL beforehand, giving it technically high startup. On the bright side, it's still safe on block.

Its directional tracking is so wild that an aerial hit of 5LL, when positioned right beneath your opponent, allows the 5LLL to instantly side swap, where the follow up hit will then side swap again to keep the combo moving in the same direction. This, as you may expect, provides a massive amount of corner carry, functioning as a sold followup to vanish, such as after 236S.

5M

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.The number of frames this attack has invulnerability, and what attribute(s) this invulnerability applies to.

  • Catches any jump except Superjump Back at round start.

Long range, high hitting 5M with fast startup. Being -5, you can also stagger with it. It will put you back at around the range you used it once it recovers, but you'll usually be in range to threaten with a 2M gatling or a 2L pressure reset. An overall excellent 5M, one of the best in the game along with Krillin, Adult Gohan and Kid Buu's.

Amazing as a roundstart option due to its speed, gatlings, and potential damage output. An easy roundstart with this move is 5M > 2H, as it gives you plenty of time to hitconfirm and either Superdash on hit or cancel into a special move on block for continued pressure.

5H

5S

2L

2M

2H

6M

6H

Saiyan Kick

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.The number of frames this attack has invulnerability, and what attribute(s) this invulnerability applies to.
Saiyan Kick
6H
Head Crusher
6H6H
Leg Breaker
6H3H

6H
  • Jump cancelable on hit.
  • Late cancelable into followups. At minimum, 6H~6H has a 5f gap on block, while 6H~3H has an 11f gap.
  • High hitstun on air hit.

Very high hitting normal. Although unsafe on block, the threat of the followups will make opponents respect it. The followup chain is a big part of Gogeta's pressure, as he can do a lot here to either reset pressure or go for a mixup. Followups can be backdashed midscreen, so it's wise to use 5H to catch people attempting to do that. Gogeta's 214X moves will also catch backdash, but they're more risky to attempt if your opponent is ready for them.

Other than that, it can be good for extending Gogeta's blockstrings, or for his corner rejumps as 6H hits somewhat high, which allows him to convert off of his corner strings.


6H~6H
  • Ground bounces on hit, can be converted with H/S normals or specials.

Fast overhead, will automatically catch people attempting to mash out of the chain. Delaying the button can make it harder to react to this and 3H, but doing so leaves Gogeta wide open. Decent combo filler if you want to keep your opponent close to the ground for assists, but using this solo forces you to spend your Superdash earlier than 6H > jumpcancel does.


6H~3H
  • Launches on hit. Has very high hitstun that allow Gogeta to link into 2M.

Considerably slower than the overhead and leaves a large gap. Fortunately, it's very safe on block and has high hitstun. Being -2, it gives about the same situation as blocking a Vanish. Gogeta can either backdash to back off, cancel into a special or gatling into 5H, or simply restart his string.

6S

Finish Sign

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.The number of frames this attack has invulnerability, and what attribute(s) this invulnerability applies to.

  • Stands still and taunts. Gains level and cancelable into Vanish on frame 16. Gains 10% Ki gauge and cancelable into other actions on frame 33.
  • When canceled into, loses the first 6F of its animation, and can be cancelled earlier (Total 52 → 46, Level on 16 → 10, Meter on 33 → 27)
  • Each level gained adds a bit damage to Gogeta's next Super (~60 minimum damage)

Character defining. You can taunt in neutral, in blockstrings, and in combos. While the total animation is rather long, you can keep yourself safe by canceling into Vanish very early while still getting the Level. You also have a frame 4 counter and a DP to shut down the opponent's counterattack attempts. Don't be afraid to cash out on Supers either, since it's not hard to build Levels back up especially if you have assists to cover you.

In a blockstring, any M/H/S normals > 6S will leave an 11F window to counterattack (or a total 27F for them to react). If not overused, 6S can be used to reset string very efficiently. Mid-combo, it's possible to do ground normals > 6S > Vanish and get both the Level up and the wall bounce from Vanish.

Once at Level 7, Gogeta gains an Instant Kill Super, which is likely what you're aiming for with this. Read more about that here.

j.L

j.M

j.H

j.S

j.2H

Special Moves

Lightning Hammer

236L/M/H (Air OK)

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.The number of frames this attack has invulnerability, and what attribute(s) this invulnerability applies to.
L
M
H

All

Gogeta's lariat-style move. All versions have Ki Blast invulnerability during their startup. Weirdly enough, they also have very good scaling when used as combo starters.


236L
  • Travels 1/3 of the screen.

Mostly a roundstart option if you want to meme on someone, as 5M is generally a better choice. Also doubles as a movement tool in the air, but it's much more committal than simply airdashing.


236M
  • Travels 1/2 of the screen.
  • Wallbounces with Smash, giving a combo in the corner. Can also extend combos midscreen with an airdash if you're not too high.
  • Gives a mediocre sliding knockdown if U1 has been used and D1 has not.
  • Opponent can airtech if both Smashes have been used.

Gogeta's primary combo extender besides j.2H. Air version leads to a rejump on every character but Krillin midscreen and the ground version gives a full combo in the corner.


236H
  • Travels 1/2 of the screen.
  • Ground bounces with Smash, giving a combo anywhere.
  • Gives a bounce sliding knockdown if U1 has been used and D1 has not.
  • Opponent can airtech if both Smashes have been used.

6H-6H is a good way to follow this up after a delay. If your back is to the corner, you can instantly pin the opponent, 6H-6H 5H to 5S then superdash/assist. Midscreen, 6H-6H then 5S and SD/assist. Good get out of jail free card against projectile heavy characters with fantastic follow up potential, key of Gogeta's whole design.

Meteor Strike

214L/M/H (Air OK)

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.The number of frames this attack has invulnerability, and what attribute(s) this invulnerability applies to.
L
M
H

All
  • Overhead.
  • Uses D Smash on hit.
  • All versions can be anti aired

214L
  • -2 on block, allowing for a safe backdash.
  • In the ballpark of +33 on most knockdowns, letting you SJ IAD j.H for a safejump.

Functions as an overhead mixup and combo ender. Use after j.H > j.S when you don't have smash for a knockdown.


214M
  • +2 on block, allowing for RPS midscreen and pressure in the corner.
  • In the ballpark of +55 on most knockdowns, giving you a similar setup to a Smash j.H.

A sometimes move due to its startup, but good to use nonetheless as it's +2 on block. It's also Gogeta's best okizeme ender if he still has D1 Smash available, usually in corner combos. You'll most likely use j.DR instead, but it's there nonetheless.


214H
  • +2 on block, allowing for RPS midscreen and pressure in the corner.

IAD j.214H can get Gogeta in from fullscreen and be +2 on block, but getting predictable will end up with you getting 2H'd. It's +2 like 214M and 24f startup like 214L, so using it to continue pressure isn't a bad idea.

Bluff Kamehameha

236S

Punisher Guard

214S (Air OK)

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.The number of frames this attack has invulnerability, and what attribute(s) this invulnerability applies to.

  • Frame 4 counter.
  • Combos into superdash anywhere.
  • Will not counter Ki Blast and beams, but will invul through if timed correct.
  • Loses to command grabs and Dragon rush.
  • Combos into Gogeta's Instant Kill.

Excellent as a defensive tool. It's usable anytime that Gogeta is -2 or better, which is a wide range of opportunities in DBFZ. The most prominent of which are after a blocked 6M or an opponent's blocked vanish. Getting predictable with this move will get you killed, but it's great when unexpected.

While this move doesn't activate against beams, it does activate against any strike property attacks including Hit's Time Release. This move not activating on contact with beams can also be a blessing, as beams extend its active time and it can potentially catch a Vanish from there if your opponent doesn't recognize it.

Plus Energy of Justice

22S

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.The number of frames this attack has invulnerability, and what attribute(s) this invulnerability applies to.

  • Frame 1 reversal.
  • Gains a Dragon Ball upon usage.
  • Insane minimum damage with D1 Smash. 40%, or a free 480 damage at the end of your combo.
  • Unlike most DPs, hits the opponent into a colossal sliding knockdown. Solid oki or even Finish Sign for basically free.
  • Dragon Ball cycle is different than that of the Dynamic! property: Two-Star → Five-Star → Six-Star → Seven-Star → Four-Star → Three-Star → One-Star
    • This is actually the order in which the Shadow Dragons were killed.
    • The Dragon balls that appear also for a split second are the black star dragon balls, in reference to, well, the black star dragon balls.

Gogeta's omnidirectional reversal. Short range compared to other DPs. Technically a projectile, so moves like Z Broly 214S will completely invalidate it. If you still have your D1 property at the end of your combo, this makes for Gogeta's best okizeme ender. It's also his highest-damage move to tack on the end of a Combo DR before supers.

Z Assists

Assist A

Finish Sign

Assist B

Lightning Hammer

Assist C

Plus Energy of Justice

Super Moves

Ultimate Impact

236L+M (Air OK)

Ultra Big Bang Kamehameha

214L+M (Air OK)

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.The number of frames this attack has invulnerability, and what attribute(s) this invulnerability applies to.

  • Minimum damage: 1654 → 1708 → 1762 → 1816 → 1870 → 1924 → 1978 → 2054
  • Adv. on hit: +44

Like most beam lvl3 supers, it's hard to get consistent pressure midscreen. The corner is a whole different story. Gogeta doesn't have access to a fast low, but he does have access to an easy fuzzy overhead thanks to his double airdash. After a lvl3 in the corner, [9]j.M (whiff) > j.M will leave you at the perfect height to either IAD j.LM or land 2M. On most characters, the IAD j.LM will be a true blockstring as well as a combo if the j.M connected. You're also free to go for a DR or 236S after the j.M for additional layers.

x100 Big Bang Kamehameha

214H+S while Level 7 (Air OK)

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. SmashWhich type of cinematic this attack can trigger. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is an attackbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, they will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invul.The number of frames this attack has invulnerability, and what attribute(s) this invulnerability applies to.

  • Minimum damage: 100%.

Not reliable as a reversal due to its slow startup and Gogeta leaping up making the beam whiff on crouching or small characters at close range. However with its extremely high damage and minimum damage, this Super acts as an Instant Kill that can only be used once Gogeta reaches Level 7. Unlike another Instant Kill in the game, this one has no drawbacks and can be combo'd into from Smash 5H, U+ Smash 236M/j.236M, command grab, counter, DP, Smash Vanish, midcombo Sparking Blast, and so on. It doesn't matter how you combo into it or how scaled the combo is (even with Super Scaling), it will always kill. The beam is also multi-hit and stops applying damage right when the opponent is KO'd, so it won't give them 7 Ki gauges.

It is not all that hard to reach Level 7 in a real match. Even without his own A assist, Gogeta can easily rack up 3 to 4 Levels per combo with the right team. Once at Level 7, the threat of being IK'd is always there since it's so easy to combo into, and despite you can't DHC into IK, it's possible to tag Gogeta in midcombo and do something like Vanish > j.214H+S instead. It can IK the opponent's assists as well, but much less consistent.

As a side note, while you can IK off of any stray hit as long as you have enough meter, it's optimal to use your assists and push the combo as far as possible before ending with IK. The assists will regenerate immediately after the round transition, and you'd want to build extra meter for the next character.


Just wait for him to fall down and punish the landing recovery. Or if you tech right into the beam, please don't Reflect it. You'll have better frame advantage if you just block (+51 vs +49), and will also build 1.458 bars at the cost of 1458 blue health. That's 6.66 (repeating of course) times the meter gain per blue health rate of getting hit by a DP.

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