GGST/Attack Attributes

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Attack Types

Attacks come in three broad categories in Guilty Gear that define how they can interact with other attacks.

Strike

Strikes are the most common form of attack in the game like punches, kicks, and sword slashes. Basically any standard attack is probably a strike. Strikes can clash with other strikes, but not with projectiles and throws. There are rare attacks that are exceptions to these rules, such as  Potemkin's Heat KnuckleGGST Potemkin Heat Knuckle 1.pngGuardAir Guard CrushStartup12Recovery18Advantage+10~+3, which cannot clash with strikes.

Projectile

Projectiles are attacks that are entities independent of the attacker, like  Ky's Stun EdgeGGST Ky Kiske 236S.pngGuardAllStartup13RecoveryTotal 46Advantage-14. Projectiles often have seemingly strange and inconsistent properties. Some moves that would appear to be projectiles, like  Testament's Arbiter SignGGST Testament 214S.pngGuardLowStartup24Recovery26Advantage-12, are actually not. Additionally, many moves that you would not expect to be projectiles, like  Chipp's Alpha BladeGGST Chipp Zanuff Alpha Blade Horizontal Ground.pngGuardAllStartup29Recovery19Advantage-4, in fact are. Lastly, not all moves that are projectiles can clash with other projectiles. If a move has a listed Clash Level in its frame data, then you can assume it will clash. The exception to that rule is that Clash Level 5 projectiles can clash and destroy lower level projectiles but cannot clash with other Clash Level 5 projectiles.

Projectile Clashes

When two projectiles that are able to clash come into contact, the Clash Level of the projectile and the number of clashable hits determine which will destroy the other. A higher Clash Level projectile will destroy a lower Clash Level projectile and lose no hits. If the projectiles are of the same Clash Level, generally the projectile with the greater number of hits will destroy the other, losing as many hits as the opposing projectile had in the process. There are two caveats to this. Firstly, sometimes projectiles travel fast enough that they will only clash a few times before moving past each other, and neither will truly "win". Secondly, the number of hits a projectile can clash with are not always equal to the number of hits that projectile will have on hit or block.  I-No's Antidepressant ScaleGGST I-No Antidepressant Scale.pngGuardAllStartup29RecoveryTotal 51Advantage-8 is a good example, as it can have as many as five hits, but can only clash up to three times.

Strike Clashboxes

Some strikes that are intended to nullify projectiles like  Giovanna's TrovãoGGST Giovanna Trovao.pngGuardAll [All (Guard Crush)]Startup27Recovery13Advantage+4 [+15] have strike clashboxes that determine their interactions with projectiles. These moves clash with other projectiles in basically the same manner as projectiles would but are not in themselves projectiles.

Throw

Throws are short ranged unblockable attacks that temporarily turn both characters invincible before dealing damage to the opponent. Throw interactions are described in more detail here.

Eddie (Zato's Shadow)

Eddie's attacks are in their own unique category as strike attacks that can not clash. Eddie is also surrounded by a hurtbox, so he can be hit by strikes and projectiles (but not throws).

Invincibility

Attribute Invincibility

Some attacks are invulnerable only to certain types.

For example: The start-up of  Sol's Volcanic ViperGGST Sol Badguy 623X.pngGuardAllStartup9Recovery18+10 LandingAdvantage-28 is invulnerable to strikes and projectiles, but not throws.  Millia becomes airborne partway through the start-up of her 6HGGST Millia Rage 6H 1.pngGuardAllStartup15Recovery23Advantage-8 and is thus throw invincible during its first hit, but not against strikes or projectiles. These situations are very simple to describe - the attack is invulnerable to the specified types during the specified times. To beat these attacks, hit them with a type they are vulnerable to, or hit them before/after the invincible period.

Hitbox Invincibility

Some attacks shrink the hurtbox of characters, even when it looks like they occupy that space.

Most anti-air 6P attacks fall into this category. Because of this, They can lose to air attacks when the opponent is able to get close enough to touch the character's hurtbox. Thus the same 2 attacks can win or lose depending on their spacing and timing. Players need to learn how their attack will behave in different scenarios, decide if the outcome is favorable, then correctly execute.

Hitboxes shown are purely for explanation purposes and are not meant to be exact in-game hitboxes
Example - Successful Anti Air
Example - Unsuccessful Anti Air
Example - Low Profile

The frame data will state that attacks have "above knees invincibility", "above chest invincibility", "low profile", etc. to describe how the hurtboxes of attacks grow and shrink.

Activation Range

Unforgiving activation ranges can sometimes make seemingly clean hits not connect, especially on larger characters. The above example is a whiff.

Some select moves are incapable of hitting an opponent even if the hitbox intersects them, if the attack is a certain distance away. This generally prevents these attacks working on extended hurtboxes from ranges they would otherwise whiff, or to prevent hits from abnormal positions (such as a cross-up attack hitting from same-side).

It should be noted that distance is based on a character's (or projectile's) center, this means some activation ranges can make moves functionally shorter range than its hitbox would suggest against large characters, such as  Potemkin. Additionally distance is always from the front or above, therefore these do not restrict hitting behind or below.

If a move is outside its Activation Range on either the X or Y axis, the hitboxes are functionally disabled, meaning it cannot hit, clash, or trigger on-hit cancels.

Counter Hit

COUNTER!

Hitting an opponent before the recovery of their attack will net you a Counter Hit (CH).

Counter Hits increase the damage of the attack by 10% and may alter attack properties, such as enabling a bounce or a tumble, allowing for stronger combos. Depending on the type of Counter Hit, there may also be additional hitstop or slowdown. These Counter Hit types vary based on the move used.

Throws can not Counter Hit, and will always be considered a punish instead.

Some attacks also have Counter Hit state during their recovery, such as a whiffed throw, projectiles, non-attacking specials, or DP Dragon Punch A move that has invulnerability during its startup, long recovery, and a rising motion.. Conversely, some attacks cannot be Counter Hit at all, namely Overdrives. Even if you are to hit them out of their start-up, the game won't consider it a Counter Hit.

Counter Hit Types

Every strike and projectile has a Counter Hit type, which determines its properties when it Counter Hits. These types are Very Small, Small, Mid and Large. The larger the Counter Hit type, the more dramatic the visuals and audio, with louder audio cues, longer hitstop, longer slowdown; and in the case of Large Counter Hits, camera zoom-in.

Normals obey the following rules:

  • Very Small: Projectile normals
  • Small: P and K normals
  • Mid: S normals, 6P, 5D, and air H normals
  • Large: Grounded H normals and 2D

Character-specific command normals, specials and Overdrives will vary, but strikes are generally Mid or Large, occasionally Very Small, but never Small (with the exception of  Leo's bt.KGGST Leo Whitefang bt K.pngGuardLowStartup5Recovery6Advantage+3 [+0]), whereas projectiles are always Very Small.

Note: "Very Small" is not an official term, and is simply used to distinguish between Small Counter Hits that don't inflict slowdown and Small Counter Hits that do inflict slowdown. For the purposes of in-game R-Code records, landing "Very Small" Counter Hits will count towards your Small Counter Hits.

Counter Hit Slowdown

Mid and Large Counter Hits create a unique, cinematic hitstop for easy confirms, overriding an attack's normal hitstop with a set period.

All types of Counter Hit except Very Small Counter Hits also inflict slowdown on the opponent, doubling each frame they experience for its duration. Small Counter Hits apply this slowdown immediately, while Mid and Large Counter Hits apply it after hitstop. In addition, during Mid and Large Counter Hits, the receiver is frozen for an extra frame after the attacker leaves hitstop due to the odd number of slowdown frames.

Counter Hit Values
Type Hitstop Slowdown Additional Frame Advantage
Very Small Base Value ※ None None
Small Base Value ※ 11F +6
Mid 21 25F +13
Large 31 35F +18

※: To determine an attack's base hitstop value, please consult Attack Levels and how they apply to your character's attacks. Note that exceptions may occur.

R.I.S.C. Counter Hits

Hitting an opponent when their R.I.S.C. Level is at 100% is a guaranteed Counter Hit even if they were not attacking or in Counter Hit recovery. If the attack in question is a strike, it becomes a Large Counter Hit even if the attack does not normally cause a Large Counter Hit (unless the strike locks the opponent's position or leads into a special cinematic state on hit, like a raw, fully charged Dust Attack or a hitgrab like  Potemkin's Heat KnuckleGGST Potemkin Heat Knuckle 1.pngGuardAir Guard CrushStartup12Recovery18Advantage+10~+3). This also uniquely causes a launch if triggered by an uncharged Dust Attack.

The hit that triggers a R.I.S.C. Counter Hit also deals an extra 20% damage instead of the usual 10% extra caused by other types of Counter Hit.

Hit Effects

There are various effects that can happen to opponents when hitting them. We will briefly discuss them here.

Launch

Launches the opponent into the air, even while grounded.  Potemkin's 2HGGST Potemkin 2H.pngGuardAllStartup13Recovery35Advantage-21 is an example of this. Sweeps will also slightly lift the opponent into the air and can sometimes be used for air combo extensions. There are multiple different types of launches. Launches that pop the opponent up are sometimes referred to as a "float" state and are often used to extend combos. Launches that knock the opponent away are sometimes referred to as "blowback" and are often used to bring the opponent closer to the corner.

Spinning Blowback

A special type of blowback that occurs after a raw, fully charged Dust Attack. If said Dust Attack is cancelled into a Homing Jump, the opponent transitions to a regular launched state. If not, the opponent flies backward.

Guard Crush

When an attack that causes Guard Crush is blocked (or in the case of Yellow Roman Cancel, when it hits) it causes a reeling animation for the opponent where they can only block or Burst, putting the attacker at a significant advantage. If the opponent gets hit by a move during this animation, the combo is treated as invalid because they could have blocked. For more information on Guard Crush, see here.

Floating Crumple

Briefly lifts a grounded opponent into the air before landing back down in a crumple state. All Dust Attacks have this property when not fully charged, as do certain other moves.

  1. While the opponent is floating off the ground, hitting them will count as an air hit.
  2. Once the opponent lands, they are considered Grounded An opponent remains grounded during combos if no hit launches them off the ground. This is required for certain Hard Knockdowns like 2D. A Grounded Wall Stick results in a Wall Slump. Hitting an opponent during a Floating Crumple will result in a launch, but they are still grounded and can usually be hit after to remain grounded. and standing, and can briefly be ground hit.
  3. Shortly after the opponent lands and until they recover, they are able to block, similar to a Guard Crush. The opponent is still technically in a comboable state, and hitting them in this moment will result in an invalid combo.

There are two kinds of Floating Crumple, Head and Body. All crumples of the same type share identical frame data.

Floating Crumple (Body)

A shallow float, with an animation of being pushed upwards. Opponent lowers gently back down to the ground. Used by lighter Floating Crumples like certain 5S attacks and all uncharged Dust Attacks.

  • 16F of hitstop
  • 11F of airborne hitstun
  • 7F of grounded standing hitstun (Total 18F of unblockable hitstun)
  • 10F of blockable hitstun
Floating Crumple (Head)

A launching float, with a massive recoiling animation. The opponent will briefly fly upwards before falling back down. Used by heavier Floating Crumples like  Sol and  Ky's 2H attacks and  Ramlethal's DauroGGST Ramlethal Valentine Dauro.pngGuardAllStartup11Recovery26Advantage-10.

  • 16F of hitstop
  • 19F of airborne hitstun
  • 8F of grounded standing hitstun (Total 27F of unblockable hitstun)
  • 6F of blockable hitstun

Stagger

Staggers a grounded opponent, putting them in non-standard hitstun for an extended period of time. If they time a button press correctly, they will escape stagger sooner. Characters can be thrown while staggered, making it a way to actually combo into throws. When staggered, a character is vulnerable to a throw for longer than they are vulnerable to strikes. For escaping staggers, see here.

Vacuum

Most attacks push the opponent away on hit and block, but certain attacks will actually pull the opponent closer. These attacks can be used to forcibly pull the opponent into a more threatening range.  Axl's Soaring Chain StrikeGGST Axl Low 46S8.pngGuardAllStartup8Recovery34Advantage-11 and Spinning Chain StrikeGGST Axl Low 46S2.pngGuardLowStartup7Recovery19Advantage-6 are examples of this.

Wall Bounce / Ground Bounce

Some attacks bounce the opponent off the wall/ground when they hit. This is useful for extending combos. The opponent's velocity after the bounce varies from move to move.

Tumble / Ground Slide

Some attacks cause the opponent to roll on the ground. Opponents are considered airborne during a tumble, so any hit will launch them. Some tumbles end in a soft knockdown, others end in a hard knockdown.

Wall Stick and Wall Slump

You can tech off the wall after a certain amount of time.

Wall Stick will cause your opponent to stick in place on the edge of the screen. When this happens, hitting them again will cause a Wall Break and both players will end up in the middle of the stage. The opponent cannot Psych Burst while stuck to the wall, but if left alone for long enough, they can recover.

If a character gets stuck to the wall while grounded, they will be unable to recover from the Wall Stick and will instead slump to the ground for a period of time (frames 1~27) before standing back up in a fully invincible state (frames 28~42). Being hit at any time during this slump will cause a Wall Break. The opponent is completely unable to recover off the wall, and cannot interrupt the slump animation.

Soft Knockdown

When opponents touch the ground after getting hit in the air (and there are no ground bounce or tumble effects), they will immediately roll backwards and recover. Most attacks have this property on air hit. See this section for more details.

Hard Knockdown

Hard knockdowns force the opponent into a longer knockdown animation. Hard knockdowns are useful for setting up okizeme. All sweeps and throws have this property.

Off The Ground

To Off The Ground (OTG) an opponent means to strike them after they are knocked down. Attacks that OTG have their hit effects replaced with a slight blowback effect and a soft knockdown, making it very difficult to continue a combo afterwards.

Slowdown

Caused by Counter Hits and Roman Cancels, slowdown is a state where the opponent will behave at half speed, affecting everything: including movement, attacks, recovery, launches, hitstop, and even invulnerability. However, a slowed-down player's actions on the other player will not be slowed down. Only the slowed-down person is affected by slowdown. For a more technical explanation, see here.

Attack Level

Each attack has an Attack Level. Depending on the level, the attack will inflict a different amount of hitstun/blockstun, though some attacks override these default values with their own.

Use the chart below to determine how much hitstun/blockstun an attack will inflict. The level for each attack can be found in the individual character frame data sections.

Hitstun and Blockstun Values
Level Hitstop Standing Hitstun Crouching Hitstun Ground Block Air Regular Block/FD ※ Air Instant Block/IFD ※
Lv.0 11 12 13 9 Until Landing+19 Until Landing+5
Lv.1 12 14 15 11 Until Landing+19 Until Landing+5
Lv.2 13 16 17 13 Until Landing+19 Until Landing+5
Lv.3 14 19 20 16 Until Landing+19 Until Landing+5
Lv.4 15 21 22 18 Until Landing+19 Until Landing+5

※: Only applies to strikes. Projectiles follow ground blockstun values unless the defender lands while still in blockstun, resulting in 5 frames of landing recovery.
Note: Blocking a move in the air restores an air action. (i.e. air jump or air dash)


Frame Advantage

Frame advantage is the concept of who is free to act first after an interaction.

This is most commonly brought up after blocking an attack; who can act first - the attacker or defender? Frame advantage has the answer! A negative value means the defender can act first, and a positive value means the attacker can act first. The value shows exactly how many frames one character can move before the other.

  • Ex: Frame Advantage -5 means the defender is free to move 5 frames before the attacker.
  • Ex: Frame Advantage +2 means the attacker can move 2 frames before the defender.

Each character's full frame data page shows both the frame advantage when an attack is blocked as well as on hit. Air attacks don't have frame advantage listed since that value is heavily influenced by when the attacker lands after an attack.

Frame advantage assumes that the attack connects as soon as possible against a standing/crouching opponent, and that the attacker does not cancel the attack into anything else.

For more information on using frame data see here.

Hitting Two Opponents With One Attack

One attack can hit multiple targets assuming they are within range.

Normally, when an attack touches the opponent, the remaining active frames can not hit the opponent again. However, if there is a second hittable character (such as hitting Eddie first, then  Zato), then the remaining active frames can still hit them.

This leads to visually strange situations like  Sol's 5HGGST Sol Badguy 5H.pngGuardAllStartup11Recovery20Advantage-5 hitting Eddie, then a moment later,  Zato runs into the active frames and gets hit. This is further compounded by the fact that hitstop only applies to the attacker and the target, thus allowing the attack to hit the unaffected character with the active frames plus the hitstop frames.

This even applies to projectiles like  Ky's Stun EdgeGGST Ky Kiske 236S.pngGuardAllStartup13RecoveryTotal 46Advantage-14, but since the projectile will disappear after hitting an opponent, this effect is much harder to take advantage of.

Preventing One Attack Hitting Two Opponents

 Zato's Eddie,  Jack-O's Servants, and  Happy Chaos' Scapegoats have unique moves or properties that prevents attacks from hitting their masters, effectively acting as shields. Remember that both targets need to be within range for this effect to matter.

While both targets need to be within range, it doesn't matter if the "shield" is behind the master or not - all that matters is that they are both within range of the attack.

Miscellaneous Notes
  • With regards to cancels on hit or block, hitting partner characters (like  Chipp's clone during Gamma BladeGGST Chipp Zanuff Gamma Blade.pngGuardAllStartup25~50RecoveryTotal 42Advantage+9 or  May's beach ball during Arisugawa SparkleGGST May Arisugawa Sparkle.pngGuardAllStartup48RecoveryTotal 45Advantage+29) counts as the attack hitting or getting blocked, so attackers have all normal cancel options available afterwards.
  • If two opponents are in range of the attack, the partner characters is hit first, then one frame later, the primary character is hit.
  • This shielding property does not work against Overdrives, and players will have to block those attacks like normal.

Hitstop

When an attack hits an object, both objects freeze in place briefly to give the attack the feeling of more impact. This effect is known as hitstop and can vary in duration, like  Sol's 5PGGST Sol Badguy 5P.pngGuardAllStartup4Recovery9Advantage-2 compared to his FafnirGGST Sol Badguy 41236H.pngGuardAll (Guard Crush)Startup24Recovery16Advantage+11. Hitstop helps with combo consistency because you can buffer commands like special cancels during hitstop and it will be executed immediately after hitstop ends. Characters with charge moves like  May,  Axl or  Leo also have the added benefit of getting more time to charge those attacks.

Hitstop applies to anything that can attack or get hit - including projectiles and assists. We will refer to all of these as "objects" for the sake of brevity.

Objects experiencing hitstop are frozen in place, but other objects on the stage are unaffected. For example, when  Ky's Stun EdgeGGST Ky Kiske 236S.pngGuardAllStartup13RecoveryTotal 46Advantage-14 hits the opponent,  Ky does not experience hitstop, only the projectile and the opponent do. From  Ky's perspective, the hitstop the opponent experiences can be thought of as additional blockstun/hitstun.

Projectiles

As mentioned above, projectiles are considered separate objects from the character that summoned them, so when they hit other objects, the character doesn't experience hitstop. The projectile itself does experience hitstop - which explains why multi-hit projectiles don't do their hits one frame after the other, they need to wait for hitstop to end before they can hit the opponent again.

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