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| overview = Ky is comfortable anywhere, but he excels at grounded neutral. He uses his far-reaching {{clr|3|f.S}} and {{clr|3|2S}} to check opponents at mid-range, and complements them with {{clr|2|2K}}, {{clr|4|5H}}, and {{clr|4|6H}}. Frustrated opponents that jump at him will find themselves dealing with his upper body invulnerable {{clr|1|6P}}. These pokes and anti-airs can lead into a knockdown or a solid combo. After securing a knockdown with {{clr|5|2D}}, [[GGST/Ky Kiske#Dire Eclat|Dire Eclat]], or [[GGST/Ky Kiske#Universal Mechanics|throws]], Ky can safely set up {{keyword|okizeme}} using [[GGST/Ky Kiske#Charged Stun Edge|Charged Stun Edge]] or airdash [[GGST/Ky Kiske/Strategy#Effective options during Okizeme|Faultless Defense Cancel safejumps]], then apply his pressure game by mixing together low/[[meaty]] attacks, frame traps, more throws, and pressure resets with {{clr|2|6K}} and [[GGST/Ky Kiske#Foudre Arc|Foudre Arc]].
| overview = Ky is comfortable everywhere, but excels at [[{{PAGENAME}}/Strategy#Neutral|mid ranged neutral]]. He uses his far-reaching {{clr|3|f.S}} and {{clr|3|2S}} to check opponents at mid range, and complements them with his disjointed {{clr|4|5H}} and {{clr|4|6H}}. Frustrated opponents that approach him carelessly can be intercepted by his strong anti-airs, air-to-airs, and {{keyword|okiwaza}}/counter poke options. He scores combos and hard knockdowns quite easily, even from his fastest buttons.  


When Ky finds himself farther away from the opponent he can use his [[GGST/Ky Kiske#Stun Edge|Stun Edge]] projectiles to harass them, either covering his approach or playing keep-away. If the neutral situation becomes difficult, Ky can take more risk by using Stun Dipper to slide under pokes or projectiles, Foudre Arc to reset pressure and hop over lows, or his {{keyword|DP}} [[GGST/Ky Kiske#Vapor Thrust|Vapor Thrust]] to challenge pressure.
Ky can transition from mid range to close range with [[{{PAGENAME}}#Foudre Arc|Foudre Arc]]. It also functions as a pressure reset, alongside {{clr|2|6K}}. At longer ranges, Ky can use [[{{PAGENAME}}#Stun Edge|Stun Edge]] projectiles to cover his approach or to play keep-out. When the time is right, Ky can take more risks by using [[{{PAGENAME}}#Stun Dipper|Stun Dipper]] to slide under pokes or projectiles, Foudre Arc to hop over lows, or his {{keyword|DP}}, [[{{PAGENAME}}#Vapor Thrust|Vapor Thrust]], to challenge pressure. Furthermore, Ky effortlessly scores Positive Bonus with [[{{PAGENAME}}#Ride the Lightning|Ride the Lightning]], an overdrive that is easily incorporated into combos and can wallbreak from tremendous distances.
 
He lacks command grabs and overheads besides universal ones, making his basic mix-ups unremarkable. His [[{{PAGENAME}}/Strategy#Okizeme|okizeme mix-ups]], however, are quite strong! After scoring a knockdown, Ky can safely set up okizeme using [[{{PAGENAME}}#Stun Edge Charge Attack|Stun Edge Charge Attack]] or [[{{PAGENAME}}/Strategy#Effective_Options_During_Okizeme|airdash FDC safejumps]]. His plethora of options include high/low mix-ups, {{keyword|cross-up}}s, throws and meaty attacks. The possibilities are only limited by your own creativity. Unleash your true power!


With his diverse move set, Ky has a tool for every situation and can quickly switch between keeping the opponent away and turning on the offensive.
With his diverse move set, Ky has a tool for every situation and can quickly switch between keeping the opponent away and turning on the offensive.
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After taking his position as King, this enthusiasm shifted into a broader perspective, allowing him to see the world from a variety of viewpoints.
After taking his position as King, this enthusiasm shifted into a broader perspective, allowing him to see the world from a variety of viewpoints.
This isn't to say, however, that he can't still come off as naïve and emotional at times.
This isn't to say, however, that he can't still come off as naïve and emotional at times.
| summary = is a classic all-rounder, classified as a ''Balance'' type.
| summary =, classified as a ''Balance'' type, is an all-rounder with the tools to compete on the ground and in the air at most ranges.
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*'''Jack of All Trades:''' Can handle all manner of situations. Ky can play keep away, poke at mid-range, and pressure at close range, and has tools for both offense and defense.
*'''Jack of All Trades:''' Can handle all manner of situations. Ky can play keep away, poke at mid-range, and pressure at close range, and has tools for both offense and defense.
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*'''Well Rounded Neutral:''' Ky's normals are good at controlling space, both on the ground and in the air. When his normals aren't enough, he also has access to a projectile and a DP.
*'''Well Rounded Neutral:''' Ky's normals are good at controlling space, both on the ground and in the air. When his normals aren't enough, he also has access to a projectile and a DP.
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*'''Expensive Mixups:''' Needs to get a good knockdown or spend meter on [[GGST/Movement#Roman_Cancels|Roman Cancels]] in order to extend his mixups beyond strikes and throws.
*'''Unsafe Enders:''' Ky lacks a truly safe way to end blockstrings. [[GGST/Ky Kiske#Dire Eclat|Dire Eclat]] relies on spacing to be safe despite being noticeably minus on block, and [[GGST/Ky Kiske#Stun Edge|Stun Edge]] has very high recovery and is counter hit for its entire duration. This makes him especially vulnerable to being [[GGST/Defense#Instant Block|IB'd]] and punished. This is more pronounced against characters such as {{Character Label|GGST|Ramlethal Valentine|label=Ramlethal}} and {{Character Label|GGST|Sol Badguy|label=Sol}} who have reliable ways to punish enders without the difficulty of Instant Block.
*'''Poor Frame Advantage:''' Lacks a truly safe blockstring ender. [[GGST/Ky Kiske#Dire Eclat|Dire Eclat]] is punishable by some far pokes (and most buttons if [[GGST/Defense#Instant Block|IB'd]]) and [[GGST/Ky Kiske#Stun Edge|Stun Edge]] has very high recovery and is counter hit for its entire duration.
*'''Inconsistent Conversions:''' Ky has access to routes with good damage, but those routes are sometimes difficult to access or require specific conditions such as counterhit Dire Eclat in the corner.
| difficulty_rating = 5
| difficulty_rating = 5
| official_difficulty = yes
| official_difficulty = yes
|unique_mechanic1_name=Shock State
|unique_mechanic1_name=Shock State
|unique_mechanic1=Ky's projectiles and Dire Eclat special put the opponent into Shock State on contact. Hitting an opponent in Shock State with most of his specials removes the Shock State (or reapplies it) in exchange for bonus effects, varying from more damage, more blockstun, and better hit effects, allowing for more damaging combos or stronger okizeme.
|unique_mechanic1=Ky's projectiles and Dire Eclat special put the opponent into Shock State on contact. Hitting an opponent in Shock State with most of his specials removes the Shock State (or reapplies it) in exchange for bonus effects, varying from more damage, more blockstun, and better hit effects, allowing for more damaging combos or stronger okizeme. [[GGST/Ky Kiske/Strategy#Shock State|Check the strategy section for more details]].
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*Will not hit some crouch blocking characters, and most crouching characters.
*Will not hit some [[GGST/Ky Kiske/Strategy#Misc.|crouch blocking characters]], and most crouching characters.
A quick jab that has slightly better frame advantage than normal. Useful as a fast anti-air, or in a situation where a {{clr|1|6P}} input would be crossed up. Confirm hits on airborne opponents by picking up with {{clr|3|2S}} > {{clr|4|5H}}.
A quick jab that's useful as a fast anti-air, or in a situation where a {{clr|1|6P}} input would be crossed up. On block, take advantage of their landing recovery and start pressure, confirm hits on airborne opponents by picking up with {{clr|3|2S}} > {{clr|4|5H}}.


[[GGST/Ky_Kiske/Frame Data#Gatling_Table|Gatling Options:]] {{clr|1|5P}}, {{clr|1|2P}}, {{clr|1|6P}}, {{clr|2|6K}}, {{clr|4|6H}}
[[GGST/Ky_Kiske/Frame Data#Gatling_Table|Gatling Options:]] {{clr|1|5P}}, {{clr|1|2P}}, {{clr|1|6P}}, {{clr|2|6K}}, {{clr|4|6H}}
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* Jump cancelable.
* Jump cancelable.


Excellent normal that also gatlings into Ky's {{clr|5|2D}} for a double low sequence that leads to a knockdown and {{keyword|okizeme}}. When using {{clr|2|5K}} on okizeme, you can time it to hit meaty to significantly increase its frame advantage up to +5 on block for stronger pressure and combos. Due to its long active frames, it can also be used to stuff many attacks in neutral, such as {{Character Label|GGST|May|label=May's}} [[GGST/May#Mr. Dolphin Horizontal|horizontal dolphins]].  
Excellent normal that also gatlings into Ky's {{clr|5|2D}} for a double low sequence that leads to a knockdown and {{keyword|okizeme}}. When using {{clr|2|5K}} on okizeme, you can time it to hit meaty to significantly increase its frame advantage up to +5 on block for stronger pressure and combos. Due to its long active frames and low recovery, it can be used to stuff many attacks in neutral, such as {{Character Label|GGST|May|label=May's}} [[GGST/May#Mr. Dolphin Horizontal|horizontal dolphins]].  


[[GGST/Ky_Kiske/Frame Data#Gatling_Table|Gatling Options:]] {{clr|1|6P}}, {{clr|2|6K}}, {{clr|4|6H}}, {{clr|5|5D}}, {{clr|5|2D}}
[[GGST/Ky_Kiske/Frame Data#Gatling_Table|Gatling Options:]] {{clr|1|6P}}, {{clr|2|6K}}, {{clr|4|6H}}, {{clr|5|5D}}, {{clr|5|2D}}
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* Has a lingering 12f and shrinking over 3f extended hurtbox during recovery.
* Has a lingering 12f and shrinking over 3f extended hurtbox during recovery.


A poke that's slightly slower and has a bit less range than {{clr|3|2S}}, but has more active frames and may hit opponents out of the air. Often canceled into {{clr|3|214S}} or {{clr|4|5H}}.
A poke that's slightly slower and has a bit less range than {{clr|3|2S}}, but has more active frames and may hit opponents out of the air. Often canceled into {{clr|3|214S}} or {{clr|4|5H}}, and {{clr|2|236K}} on max range counter hits.


[[GGST/Ky_Kiske/Frame Data#Gatling_Table|Gatling Options:]] {{clr|4|5H}}, {{clr|4|2H}}
[[GGST/Ky_Kiske/Frame Data#Gatling_Table|Gatling Options:]] {{clr|4|5H}}, {{clr|4|2H}}
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* Disjointed hitbox during the active frames, but a lingering 4f ''Counter Hit'' and shrinking over next 10f (non-CH) extended hurtbox during recovery.
* Disjointed hitbox during the active frames, but a lingering 4f ''Counter Hit'' and shrinking over next 10f (non-CH) extended hurtbox during recovery.


A huge attack that leads to great reward and corner carry on counter hit when canceled into {{clr|2|214K}}. Great as a haymaker in neutral or for whiff punishing moves, though be careful of the long startup and recovery. Because it hits so low to the ground, it will beat lots of {{clr|1|6P}}'s and low profile attacks like {{Character Label|GGST|Sol Badguy|label=Sol}}'s [[GGST/Sol Badguy#Night Raid Vortex|Night Raid Vortex]]. Useful in pressure as an auto frame trap from {{clr|2|5K}} and {{clr|3|c.S}} especially since Ky takes a step forward during the attack, which makes it easier to keep the pressure on. Also integral in corner combos due to its wallbounce property ({{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|2|214K}}, {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|3|214S}}, etc.)  
A huge attack that leads to great reward and corner carry on counter hit when canceled into {{clr|2|214K}}. Great as a haymaker in neutral or for whiff punishing moves, though be careful of the long startup and recovery. Because it hits so low to the ground, it will beat lots of {{clr|1|6P}}'s and low profile attacks like {{Character Label|GGST|Sol Badguy|label=Sol}}'s [[GGST/Sol Badguy#Night Raid Vortex|Night Raid Vortex]]. Useful in pressure as an auto frame trap from {{clr|2|5K}} and a manual one from {{clr|3|c.S}} especially since Ky takes a step forward during the attack, which makes it easier to keep the pressure on. Also integral in corner combos due to its wallbounce property ({{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|2|214K}}, {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|3|214S}}, etc.)  
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* 1 frame faster low than {{clr|2|5K}}.
* 1 frame faster low than {{clr|2|5K}}.


A very useful normal with a great balance of speed and range. It's a useful short range poke, Ky's fastest low mixup, and a great linker normal in combos.
A very useful normal with a great balance of speed and range. It's a good short range poke, and Ky's fastest low mixup. It's often used to link together combos, like when you want to [[GGST/Ky Kiske/Combos#214S OTG Relaunch|OTG pickup after]] {{clr|3|214S}}, or continue to combo airborne opponents when you hit the ground. Often canceled into {{clr|5|2D}} for a knockdown, or into {{clr|4|6H}} for combos in the corner.


[[GGST/Ky_Kiske/Frame Data#Gatling_Table|Gatling Options:]] {{clr|1|6P}}, {{clr|2|6K}}, {{clr|4|6H}}, {{clr|5|5D}}, {{clr|5|2D}}
[[GGST/Ky_Kiske/Frame Data#Gatling_Table|Gatling Options:]] {{clr|1|6P}}, {{clr|2|6K}}, {{clr|4|6H}}, {{clr|5|5D}}, {{clr|5|2D}}
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* Unlike {{clr|3|f.S}}, {{clr|4|5H}}, and {{clr|4|6H}}, the hurtbox starts retracting immediately during recovery, making it harder to whiff punish.
* Unlike {{clr|3|f.S}}, {{clr|4|5H}}, and {{clr|4|6H}}, the hurtbox starts retracting immediately during recovery, making it harder to whiff punish.


Contender for Ky's main poke, with a great balance of range, speed, and cancel options. Often canceled into {{clr|3|214S}} or {{clr|4|5H}}.
Contender for Ky's main poke, with a great balance of range, speed, and cancel options. Often canceled into {{clr|3|214S}} or {{clr|4|5H}}, and {{clr|2|236K}} on max range counter hits.


[[GGST/Ky_Kiske/Frame Data#Gatling_Table|Gatling Options:]] {{clr|4|5H}}, {{clr|4|2H}}
[[GGST/Ky_Kiske/Frame Data#Gatling_Table|Gatling Options:]] {{clr|4|5H}}, {{clr|4|2H}}
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A sweeping kick that grants a hard knockdown close to Ky, allowing him to start his strong {{keyword|okizeme}} game. If the opponent is too close to Ky on hit, delay {{clr|4|236H}} slightly or it'll pass through their invulnerable wakeup frames. Counter Hit {{clr|5|2D}} can be picked up with {{clr|3|c.S}} or {{clr|3|2S}} for extra damage.
A sweeping kick that grants a hard knockdown close to Ky, allowing him to start his strong {{keyword|okizeme}} game. If the opponent is too close to Ky on hit, delay {{clr|4|236H}} slightly or it'll pass through their invulnerable wakeup frames. Counter Hit {{clr|5|2D}} can be picked up with {{clr|3|c.S}}, {{clr|3|2S}}, {{clr|2|214K}} or {{clr|3|214S}} for extra damage.
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GGST_Ky_Kiske_j.D.png|''Under the sacred briars''
GGST_Ky_Kiske_j.D.png|RIP Grinders (2014-2021)
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* Not cancelable into specials.
* Not cancelable into specials.


Good for delaying your landing or as a fairly large disjoint in air-to-air situations.
Good for delaying your landing or as a fairly large disjoint in air-to-air situations. j.D also excels at intercepting most incoming projectiles, though it has no meterless followups. 
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GGST_Ky_Kiske_Ground Throw.png | ''FAITH''
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GGST_Ky_Kiske_Air Throw.png | ''PRIDE''
GGST_Ky_Kiske_Air Throw.png |So, you decided to jump over 236H in the corner
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A fast sliding attack that can go under many other attacks. The slash part will not properly combo if the move is performed too close or too far from the opponent, but the extra hitstun from Medium or higher Counter Hits will make it combo at any range, even point blank.<br>  
A fast sliding attack that can go under many other attacks. The slash part will not properly combo if the move is performed too close or too far from the opponent, but the extra hitstun from Medium or higher Counter Hits will make it combo at any range, even point blank.<br>  
In Dragon Install, the slash gains an extra hit for more damage and causes a hard knockdown instead of a soft one, leaving Ky at +41.
In Dragon Install, the slash gains an extra hit for more damage and causes a hard knockdown instead of a normal one, leaving Ky at +41.
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GGST_Ky_Kiske_Foudre_Arc.png| RIP Greed Sever 2002-2021
GGST_Ky_Kiske_Foudre_Arc.png| RIP Greed Sever (2002-2021)
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* Removes Shock State from the opponent on contact
* Removes Shock State from the opponent on contact
* [] values refer to hitting an opponent in Shock State
* [] values refer to hitting an opponent in Shock State
* On-Block value ranges account for being more plus on block when striking later in its active frames (e.g. as a {{keyword|meaty}}).
* Hits standing opponents on frame 27, crouching opponents on frame 29
* On-Block value ranges account for being more plus on block when striking later in its active frames (e.g. as a {{keyword|meaty}})
* Forces opponent into crouching state on ground hit
* Forces opponent into crouching state on ground hit
* Will pass over crouching opponents if performed close to them
A flying kick with a high arc used to reset pressure, beat jump outs, and crush low profile attacks. Despite its slow startup, it covers a large distance quickly, and has low recovery, so you can quickly approach the opponent. Dashing first causes the move to carry momentum, reaching nearly fullscreen. Foudre Arc shouldn't be used recklessly, the long startup can be counter hit by most normals, you can't combo into anything on hit, and it's negative if blocked correctly. It's good for when you know the opponent wants to jump away, since it will force them back to the ground leaving Ky at significant advantage. It can also be used to counter hit low profile attacks, which will enable combos. The situation on block can change depending on how late into the attack it hit the opponent, but in general you can assume that Ky is -1 on standing block, and +1 on crouching block.
The Shock State and Dragon Install version is much better in general. You can use it to reset pressure, since it will be Ky's advantage on block whether it is blocked crouching or standing. On hit, you can combo into 5K or c.S for extra damage. Do keep in mind that Foudre Arc can still be interrupted during the startup in these cases, it's best to use it when you think the opponent is too scared to press anything and isn't going to react in time to counter it.


Flying kick with a high arc. Despite its slow startup, it covers a large distance quickly, can hop over low attacks, and is safe on block at worst. Dashing first causes the move to carry a large amount of dash momentum, letting it reach nearly fullscreen. If it hits the opponent while they are in Shock State or while Ky is in Dragon Install, it gains more advantage on standing block and even more on crouching block, and causes enough hitstun on hit to allow a meterless followup combo.
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* Removes Shock State from the opponent on contact
* Removes Shock State from the opponent on contact
* [] values refer to hitting an opponent in Shock State
* [] values refer to hitting an opponent in Shock State
* {{Prompt|GGST|H}} version is Ky's highest damage meterless wallbreaker.
An invincible reversal attack with a wide arc that reaches behind Ky's head, launching the opponent away. Poor when used on wakeup, since it's somewhat slow, susceptible to throws, and easily whiffs on opponents doing low attacks. It is still quite useful as an anti-air that beats cross-ups, a risky gamble to escape pressure, and corner combo filler to add damage. The {{Prompt|GGST|S}} version is slightly faster, while the {{Prompt|GGST|H}} version launches Ky farther forward with more active frames, giving it more range. Which one you should use varies depending on the situation, but {{Prompt|GGST|S}} is best for speed which is generally useful on wakeup, and {{Prompt|GGST|H}} is best for damage and consistently beating an attack.  <br>
If it hits an opponent in Shock State, it deals more damage and pops them up high enough to combo, extending combos in the corner. <br>


An invincible reversal attack with a wide arc that reaches behind Ky's head, launching the opponent away. Poor when used on wakeup, since it's somewhat slow, susceptible to throws, and easily whiffs on opponents doing low attacks, but still useful as an anti-air that catches cross-ups, a risky gamble to escape pressure, and corner combo filler to add damage.<br>The {{Prompt|GGST|S}} version is slightly faster, while the {{Prompt|GGST|H}} version launches Ky farther forward with more active frames, giving it more range.<br>If it hits an opponent in Shock State, it deals more damage and pops them up high enough to be juggled afterwards, extending combos in the corner.<br>In Dragon Install, it launches the opponent at a sharper vertical angle which leaves them closer to Ky, and you can combo from the {{Prompt|GGST|H}} version even midscreen.
In Dragon Install, it launches the opponent at a sharper vertical angle which leaves them closer to Ky, and you can combo from the {{Prompt|GGST|H}} version even midscreen with {{clr|2|5K}} or{{clr|3|c.S}}. Since it becomes a mutli-hit attack, it's better to wallbreak with a high damage normal like {{clr|4|6H}} instead of Vapor Thrust while in Dragon Install.
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GGST_Ky_Dire_Eclat.png | ''I'm going as far as I can, to keep the glow alive''
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Overview
Overview

Ky is comfortable everywhere, but excels at mid ranged neutral. He uses his far-reaching f.S and 2S to check opponents at mid range, and complements them with his disjointed 5H and 6H. Frustrated opponents that approach him carelessly can be intercepted by his strong anti-airs, air-to-airs, and okiwaza From Japanese "置き技", meaning "placed move". To pre-emptively use an attack with the intent of covering a specific space which the opponent will move into or extend a hurtbox into./counter poke options. He scores combos and hard knockdowns quite easily, even from his fastest buttons.

Ky can transition from mid range to close range with Foudre Arc. It also functions as a pressure reset, alongside 6K. At longer ranges, Ky can use Stun Edge projectiles to cover his approach or to play keep-out. When the time is right, Ky can take more risks by using Stun Dipper to slide under pokes or projectiles, Foudre Arc to hop over lows, or his DP Dragon Punch A move that has invulnerability during its startup, long recovery, and a rising motion., Vapor Thrust, to challenge pressure. Furthermore, Ky effortlessly scores Positive Bonus with Ride the Lightning, an overdrive that is easily incorporated into combos and can wallbreak from tremendous distances.

He lacks command grabs and overheads besides universal ones, making his basic mix-ups unremarkable. His okizeme mix-ups, however, are quite strong! After scoring a knockdown, Ky can safely set up okizeme using Stun Edge Charge Attack or airdash FDC safejumps. His plethora of options include high/low mix-ups, cross-up Attacking your opponent after changing which horizontal side you are on, usually by jumping over them.s, throws and meaty attacks. The possibilities are only limited by your own creativity. Unleash your true power!

With his diverse move set, Ky has a tool for every situation and can quickly switch between keeping the opponent away and turning on the offensive.

 Ky Kiske  Ky Kiske , classified as a Balance type, is an all-rounder with the tools to compete on the ground and in the air at most ranges.

Pros
Cons
  • Jack of All Trades: Can handle all manner of situations. Ky can play keep away, poke at mid-range, and pressure at close range, and has tools for both offense and defense.
  • Strong Okizeme: Ky gets strong pressure and mixup from certain knockdowns using FDC safejumps and Charged Stun Edge.
  • Well Rounded Neutral: Ky's normals are good at controlling space, both on the ground and in the air. When his normals aren't enough, he also has access to a projectile and a DP.
  • Unsafe Enders: Ky lacks a truly safe way to end blockstrings. Dire Eclat relies on spacing to be safe despite being noticeably minus on block, and Stun Edge has very high recovery and is counter hit for its entire duration. This makes him especially vulnerable to being IB'd and punished. This is more pronounced against characters such as  Ramlethal and  Sol who have reliable ways to punish enders without the difficulty of Instant Block.
  • Inconsistent Conversions: Ky has access to routes with good damage, but those routes are sometimes difficult to access or require specific conditions such as counterhit Dire Eclat in the corner.
Ky's projectiles and Dire Eclat special put the opponent into Shock State on contact. Hitting an opponent in Shock State with most of his specials removes the Shock State (or reapplies it) in exchange for bonus effects, varying from more damage, more blockstun, and better hit effects, allowing for more damaging combos or stronger okizeme. Check the strategy section for more details.
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Ky Kiske

Normal Moves

5P

5K

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Invuln
30 Low 7 8 6 - none

  • Standing low.
  • Very active, great for meaty setups.
  • Hits surprisingly high up.
  • Jump cancelable.

Excellent normal that also gatlings into Ky's 2D for a double low sequence that leads to a knockdown and okizeme From Japanese "起き攻め". Attacking an opponent about to wake up after they were knocked down, usually with meaty attacks or mix-ups.. When using 5K on okizeme, you can time it to hit meaty to significantly increase its frame advantage up to +5 on block for stronger pressure and combos. Due to its long active frames and low recovery, it can be used to stuff many attacks in neutral, such as  May's horizontal dolphins.

Gatling Options: 6P, 6K, 6H, 5D, 2D

c.S

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42 All 7 6 10 - none

  • Go-to punish starter.
  • Ground bounces on air hit.
  • Jump cancelable.

Often used to start pressure at close range or after a knockdown. It can be jump canceled, and can be canceled into a ton of different normals to frame trap and bait defensive options (such as c.S > 2S). Since it's not very negative on block, you can scare the opponent with frame traps and then reset pressure by dashing up with another c.S or going for a throw.

Gatling Options: 6P, 6K, f.S, 2S, 5H, 2H, 6H, 5D, 2D

f.S

5H

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48 All 12 6 21 - none

  • Launches vertically on air hit.
  • Disjointed hitbox during the active frames, but a lingering 12f extended hurtbox during recovery.

A chunky swing that's slower than Ky's S normals, but has a bit more range. Sees lots of use to air juggle during combos, since it pops them up high enough to combo into a special or overdrive. Though it is unsafe on block, it can be difficult to punish at max range. Since 5H deals a lot of hitstun, Ky can one hit confirm into 632146H without too much difficulty.

5D

6P

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34 All 9 5 17 - 1-3 Upper Body
4-13 Above Knees

  • Invul above the knees from the startup until the beginning of recovery.
  • Launches away on air hit, but leaves standing on ground hit.
  • Hard Knockdown on air Counter Hit.

Ky's main anti-air and an all around a great normal due to its upper body invulnerability. Though it doesn't combo into much besides 214S on non-Counter Hit, it's great for ensuring that whatever is coming at you from the air has the best possible chance of being beaten. Against grounded opponents, it's invaluable for countering pokes that Ky otherwise finds hard to contest, like  Ramlethal's f.S. When used in combos, 6P is a important cancel from 5P/2P mash into 214S's hard knockdown.

6K

6H

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52 All 15 4 20 - none

  • Launches opponent away on hit.
  • Wall bounces on hit in the corner.
  • Combos from 5K/2K on crouching opponents.
  • Disjointed hitbox during the active frames, but a lingering 4f Counter Hit and shrinking over next 10f (non-CH) extended hurtbox during recovery.

A huge attack that leads to great reward and corner carry on counter hit when canceled into 214K. Great as a haymaker in neutral or for whiff punishing moves, though be careful of the long startup and recovery. Because it hits so low to the ground, it will beat lots of 6P's and low profile attacks like  Sol's Night Raid Vortex. Useful in pressure as an auto frame trap from 5K and a manual one from c.S especially since Ky takes a step forward during the attack, which makes it easier to keep the pressure on. Also integral in corner combos due to its wallbounce property (6H > 214K, 6H > 214S, etc.)

2P

2K

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26 Low 6 4 10 - none

  • 1 frame faster low than 5K.

A very useful normal with a great balance of speed and range. It's a good short range poke, and Ky's fastest low mixup. It's often used to link together combos, like when you want to OTG pickup after 214S, or continue to combo airborne opponents when you hit the ground. Often canceled into 2D for a knockdown, or into 6H for combos in the corner.

Gatling Options: 6P, 6K, 6H, 5D, 2D

2S

2H

2D

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34 Low 10 6 18 - none

A sweeping kick that grants a hard knockdown close to Ky, allowing him to start his strong okizeme From Japanese "起き攻め". Attacking an opponent about to wake up after they were knocked down, usually with meaty attacks or mix-ups. game. If the opponent is too close to Ky on hit, delay 236H slightly or it'll pass through their invulnerable wakeup frames. Counter Hit 2D can be picked up with c.S, 2S, 214K or 214S for extra damage.

j.P

j.K

j.S

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32 High 7 3 21 - none

  • Larger jump-in hitbox than the animation suggests.
  • Air Dash cancellable

When used air-to-air, j.S has more range than j.K, but j.K is generally safer to use in air-to-air situations due to j.S' higher recovery.

j.S also has use in blockstrings due to its air dash cancel. j.S > 66 > j.S can open up opponents mashing throw or expecting Ky to land with a low, but the airdash leaves a large gap which can be punished. Go for it when the opponent is conditioned to block.

Gatling Options: j.H

j.H

j.D

Universal Mechanics

Ground Throw

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  • Can throw the opponent either forward or backwards.
  • Sends the opponent flying away and knocks them down.

A critical part of Ky's pressure. If the opponent wasn't thrown into a corner, they have time to jump 236H so it's usually best to IAD j.H midscreen for a safejump. You're occasionally able to use it defensively due to its fast startup, but it really shines after 236H oki when they have to guess your mixup.

Ky can also follow up a ground throw at any distance with 6H to increase the damage and OTG the opponent, which can slightly increase the meterless damage. Midscreen, this also allows cancelling the 6H into a meaty 236S. In the corner, this allows following up the OTG 6H with another meaty 6H that will hit and frametrap any non-reversal wakeup option that is not blocking (jump, backdash, wakeup button) slower than 4 frames. Against 3 frame moves, the 6H will trade.

Air Throw

Special Moves

Stun Edge

236S

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  • Applies Shock State to the opponent on contact
  • [] values refer to hitting an opponent already in Shock State
  • Counter hit state for the entire duration

A basic projectile with frame data that makes it only situationally useful. It can be used as a blockstring ender, but only if you know that pushback will put you far outside of the range of the opponent's longest buttons. In many exchanges, its recovery is so long that it can be punished and get you killed both on block and on hit. It is counter hit state for its entire duration, so in some matchups you will die if you use this move against a knowledgeable player. Additionally, the move can be both low profiled and easily Instant Air Dashed over, which adds to the danger of using it.

That said, 236S is useful against opponents that like to aggressively and preemptively use grounded normals, as you can stand just outside their range and fire it off to build some meter and deal damage. Hitting an opponent with 236S may convince them to stop attacking in order to react to it, opening them up for your offensive approach. It's much safer to use in matchups where the opponent has poor mobility and lacks an airdash, such as  Potemkin and  Nagoriyuki.

In Dragon Install, 236S hits twice and is a bit safer on contact. You can use it much like you use it normally, only it will now beat other single hitting projectiles.

Charged Stun Edge

236H

Aerial Stun Edge

j.236S/H

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  • Applies Shock State to the opponent on contact.
  • [] values refer to hitting an opponent already in Shock State.
  • -2 when TK'd on stand block, +2 on crouch block (tested on Ky).
  • In Dragon Install, when TK'd, -1 on stand block, +3 on crouch block (tested on Ky).

An air projectile used to keep opponents grounded or as an anti anti-air callout. The landing recovery makes it very unsafe on whiff if an opponent gets around it (like if they run underneath the H version.)

Stun Dipper

236K

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  • Removes Shock State from the opponent on contact
  • [] values refer to hitting an opponent in Shock State

A fast sliding attack that can go under many other attacks. The slash part will not properly combo if the move is performed too close or too far from the opponent, but the extra hitstun from Medium or higher Counter Hits will make it combo at any range, even point blank.
In Dragon Install, the slash gains an extra hit for more damage and causes a hard knockdown instead of a normal one, leaving Ky at +41.

Foudre Arc

214K

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  • Removes Shock State from the opponent on contact
  • [] values refer to hitting an opponent in Shock State
  • Hits standing opponents on frame 27, crouching opponents on frame 29
  • On-Block value ranges account for being more plus on block when striking later in its active frames (e.g. as a meaty Hitting an opponent to cover the moment as they lose invincibility. The most common one is performing an attack early on okizeme to gain frame advantage and bait reversals.)
  • Forces opponent into crouching state on ground hit
  • Will pass over crouching opponents if performed close to them

A flying kick with a high arc used to reset pressure, beat jump outs, and crush low profile attacks. Despite its slow startup, it covers a large distance quickly, and has low recovery, so you can quickly approach the opponent. Dashing first causes the move to carry momentum, reaching nearly fullscreen. Foudre Arc shouldn't be used recklessly, the long startup can be counter hit by most normals, you can't combo into anything on hit, and it's negative if blocked correctly. It's good for when you know the opponent wants to jump away, since it will force them back to the ground leaving Ky at significant advantage. It can also be used to counter hit low profile attacks, which will enable combos. The situation on block can change depending on how late into the attack it hit the opponent, but in general you can assume that Ky is -1 on standing block, and +1 on crouching block.

The Shock State and Dragon Install version is much better in general. You can use it to reset pressure, since it will be Ky's advantage on block whether it is blocked crouching or standing. On hit, you can combo into 5K or c.S for extra damage. Do keep in mind that Foudre Arc can still be interrupted during the startup in these cases, it's best to use it when you think the opponent is too scared to press anything and isn't going to react in time to counter it.

Vapor Thrust

623S/H

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  • Removes Shock State from the opponent on contact
  • [] values refer to hitting an opponent in Shock State
  • H version is Ky's highest damage meterless wallbreaker.

An invincible reversal attack with a wide arc that reaches behind Ky's head, launching the opponent away. Poor when used on wakeup, since it's somewhat slow, susceptible to throws, and easily whiffs on opponents doing low attacks. It is still quite useful as an anti-air that beats cross-ups, a risky gamble to escape pressure, and corner combo filler to add damage. The S version is slightly faster, while the H version launches Ky farther forward with more active frames, giving it more range. Which one you should use varies depending on the situation, but S is best for speed which is generally useful on wakeup, and H is best for damage and consistently beating an attack.

If it hits an opponent in Shock State, it deals more damage and pops them up high enough to combo, extending combos in the corner.

In Dragon Install, it launches the opponent at a sharper vertical angle which leaves them closer to Ky, and you can combo from the H version even midscreen with 5K orc.S. Since it becomes a mutli-hit attack, it's better to wallbreak with a high damage normal like 6H instead of Vapor Thrust while in Dragon Install.

Dire Eclat

214S

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  • Applies Shock State to the opponent on contact
  • [] values refer to hitting an opponent already in Shock State

One of Ky's main combo enders. It's also used in high-damage corner combos to apply Shock State mid-combo to allow Ky to follow up after 623H for more damage, or as the wall breaking hit to pre-apply Shock State after the reset to neutral. Fairly large pushback on both hit and block, but is minus enough to be unsafe in some matchups (e.g.  Ramlethal) and universally if Instant Blocked. On hit, allows for a safe jump with dash IAD j.H or dash 214K afterwards.

Overdrives

Ride The Lightning

632146H (Air OK)

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  • [] damage values refer to hitting an opponent in Shock State.
  • Hitting an opponent in the corner with the final hit causes a Wall Break and leaves Ky +36 afterwards.
  • There is a gap between the first and second part of the attack.

A powerful attack with invincible startup and extremely long recovery. Its quick startup and lengthy forward momentum makes it adaptable as an ender in many situations, where it can wall break from quite a distance from the corner. Since a wall break with an Overdrive deals high damage, locks the opponent out of Burst, and grants a hard knockdown, early confirms into 632146H are a great option. You could think of 632146H as a free wall break once you reach 50% Tension, as the meter you spend will quickly be replenished by the resulting Positive Bonus.

The gap between the charging portion of the attack and the flourish at the end can be punished with fast attacks, Overdrives, and throws. If you want to stay safe with a RRC, don't wait until the second half to do it.

Sacred Edge

236236P

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  • Puts the opponent in Shock State on contact.
  • [] values refer to hitting an opponent already in Shock State
  • Hitting an opponent in the corner causes a Wall Break and leaves Ky +36 afterwards.

A large and fast moving projectile that's very advantageous on block. Gains more damage and frame advantage when hitting an opponent in Shock State and even more while Ky is in Dragon Install. Usually used as combo filler to add more damage, but it also works as a fullscreen anti-zoning tool to blow through ordinary projectiles.

Dragon Install

214214H at 30% or less health

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80 [88] All 11+1 5 25 - none

  • Can only be activated when at 30% or lower HP. Ky's health bar will turn orange and he will have a red lightning effect on his upper body.
  • Enhances Ky's specials and other Overdrives for the rest of the round, but severely reduces his Tension gain.
  • The shockwave released is deceptively short in horizontal range and deceptively long vertically.
  • 1f of startup after cinematic, meaning the opponent can reversal through it.
  • Hitting an opponent with the activation shockwave in the corner causes a Wall Break and leaves Ky +36 afterwards.

Dragon Install (DI) is very difficult to get into safely, since it has long startup and recovery as well as startup after the superflash. Generally, you'll need to combo into the activation, or do it off of a hard knockdown like after 2D or 214K. If the opponent blocks the shockwave, it's usually safe unless it was Instant Blocked or done to a cornered opponent, since both of these will cancel the pushback.

In DI, Ky gains access to powered up special moves and overdrives, plus high damage 623H loop combos. However, the resulting permanent Tension gain penalty severely limits his options for the rest of the round, all but locking you out of your Overdrives and Roman Cancels. Because of the significant drawbacks and 30% health requirement, DI isn't recommended in competitive play. Check the Strategy section for more details.


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