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==Combo List==
 
==Combo List==
*This list is meant for actual combos, not for frame traps, blockstrings, or mixups (if the combo itself allows to set them up afterwards, it is mention in the "Notes" field).  
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*This list is meant for actual combos, not for frame traps, blockstrings, or mixups. If the combo itself allows to set them up afterwards, it is mentioned in the "Notes" field).  
 
*The list is focused on most practical examples, not every single option that exists.   
 
*The list is focused on most practical examples, not every single option that exists.   
*All damage values are damage dealt to Sol unless the combo cannot work on him, in which case the character with the closest defense modifier is used.
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*All damage values are damage dealt to Ky unless the combo cannot work on him, in which case the character with the closest defense modifier is used.
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*The difficulty is ranked on a scale of 1 to 5 ({{clr|1|Very Easy}}, {{clr|2|Easy}}, {{clr|3|Medium}}, {{clr|4|Hard}} and {{clr|5|Very Hard}}) based on various factors (cancel leniency, link timings, special techniques, range consistency, etc).  
 
*The difficulty is ranked on a scale of 1 to 5 ({{clr|1|Very Easy}}, {{clr|2|Easy}}, {{clr|3|Medium}}, {{clr|4|Hard}} and {{clr|5|Very Hard}}) based on various factors (cancel leniency, link timings, special techniques, range consistency, etc).  
  
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! Combo !! Position !! Damage !! Tension Gain !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
 
! Combo !! Position !! Damage !! Tension Gain !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
 
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| | {{clr|1|2P}} > {{clr|1|2P}} > {{clr|1|6P}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Anywhere || 65 || ~25% || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Simple, easy confirm from 2P that grants Shock State. Subtract Ps based on range. Works off of 5P too, but 5P whiffs on most crouchers.
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| | {{clr|1|2P}} > ({{clr|1|2P}} > {{clr|1|2P}}) > {{clr|1|6P}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Anywhere || 69 || 16% || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Simple, easy confirm from {{clr|1|2P}} that grants Shock State. Subtract Ps based on range. Works off of {{clr|1|5P}} too, but {{clr|1|5P}} whiffs on most crouchers.
 
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| | {{clr|2|5K/2K}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Anywhere || 67 || ~18% || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Confirm into Dire Eclat. Grants Shock State.
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| | {{clr|2|5K/2K}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Anywhere || 66~70 || 16% || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Confirm into Dire Eclat. Grants Shock State and a knockdown.
 
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| | {{clr|2|5K/2K}} > {{clr|5|2D}}  || Anywhere || 48 || ~23% || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Confirm off of {{clr|2|5K}} or {{clr|2|2K}} into {{clr|5|2D}} into meaty Charged Stun Edge for both okizeme and Shock State. The CSE will pass over them by the time they get up unless you delay it or if the opponent was hit by 2D at a far enough range.
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| | {{clr|2|5K/2K}} > {{clr|5|2D}}  || Anywhere || 48 || 10% || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Confirm off of {{clr|2|5K}} or {{clr|2|2K}} into {{clr|5|2D}} into meaty Charged Stun Edge for both okizeme and Shock State. The CSE will pass over them by the time they get up unless you delay it or if the opponent was hit by {{clr|5|2D}} at a far enough range.
 
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| | {{clr|2|5K/2K}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|3|236S}} > 66PRC, {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}}, {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 165 || || Lightweights and Mediumweights || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Guaranteed wallbreak combo off a {{clr|2|5K}} or {{clr|2|2K}} starter.
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| | {{clr|2|5K/2K}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|3|214S}}, 66{{clr|2|2K}}/{{clr|2|5K}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}}, {{clr|1|5P}}/{{clr|3|c.S}} WS {{clr|4|623H}}/{{clr|3|214S}} || Corner || 174 || 30% || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || High damage corner combo for when the opponent is hit crouching. Replace {{clr|1|5P}} with {{clr|3|c.S}} on light and medium weights for more damage. Wall break with {{clr|3|214S}} to trade damage for Shock State.
 
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| | {{clr|2|5K/2K}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > RRC, 66{{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|4|623H}}, {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}}, {{clr|4|623H}} || 161 || When Cornered || || Lightweights and Mediumweights ||{{clr|3|Medium}} || Side switches and wallbreaks. Run under the opponent after the RRC. The RRC can be done as either neutral RRC or 88RRC, but 66RRC will not let you run under the opponent.
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| | {{clr|2|5K/2K}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > RRC, 66{{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|4|623H}}, {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} WS {{clr|4|623H}} || Back to Corner || 164 || ~-20% || Light and Medium weights || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Side switches and wall breaks. Run under the opponent after the RRC. The RRC can be done as either neutral RRC or 88RRC, but 66RRC will not let you run under the opponent.
 
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| | {{clr|2|5K/2K}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > RRC, 66{{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|4|623H}}, {{clr|2|2K}} > {{clr|1|6P}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || 154 || When Cornered || || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || Alternate version of the above for heavyweights. Getting the timing for 2K can be tricky.
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| | {{clr|2|5K/2K}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > RRC, 66{{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|4|623H}}, {{clr|2|2K}} > {{clr|1|6P}} WS {{clr|4|623H}} || Back to Corner || 154 || ~-20% || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || Alternate version of the above for heavyweights. Getting the timing for {{clr|2|2K}} after the Vapor Thrust can be tricky.
 
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! Combo !! Position !! Damage !! Tension Gain !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
 
! Combo !! Position !! Damage !! Tension Gain !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
 
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Anywhere || || || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Applies Shock State.
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Anywhere || 77 || +12% || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Applies Shock State. Sets up safejumps with IAD {{clr|4|j.H}} or 66{{clr|2|214K}}.
 
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > dl.{{clr|4|236H}} || Anywhere || || || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || CSE oki AND Shock State. What more could you want?
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|236K}} || Anywhere || 112 || +17% || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || Spacing dependent. Delay the cancel from {{clr|4|5H}} to {{clr|2|236K}} if close to the opponent. {{clr|4|5H}} can also be replaced with {{clr|3|f.S}} and {{clr|3|2S}}.
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|236K}} || Anywhere || || || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || Spacing dependent. Delay the cancel from {{clr|4|5H}} to {{clr|2|236K}} if close to the opponent. {{clr|4|5H}} can also be replaced with {{clr|3|f.S}} and {{clr|3|2S}}.
 
 
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| | CH{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|2|6K}}, {{clr|2|5K}} > {{clr|1|6P}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Anywhere || || || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Only works on crouching opponents.
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|3|236S}} > 66PRC, 66{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|2H(2)}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Anywhere || 167 || ~-23% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Leaves your opponent in Shock State. Can opt to use {{clr|5|2D}} for CSE Oki instead of ending with {{clr|4|2H(2)}} > {{clr|3|214S}}.
 
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|2H(2)}} > {{clr|2|214K}}, {{clr|2|2K}} > {{clr|2|236K}} || Midscreen ||  ||  || Everyone except SO, KY, MA, AN, GI || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Needs Shock State. Needs dash momentum for I-No.
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > 66{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|3|214S}} WS {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 219 || +35% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || High damage meterless corner combo from {{clr|3|c.S}}. The {{clr|3|214S}} can be replaced with another {{clr|4|623H}} for 4 more damage, but this can whiff on certain large characters like Potemkin unless the second {{clr|3|c.S}} is not dashed.
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|2H(2)}} > {{clr|2|214K}}, {{clr|2|2K}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Midscreen ||  ||  || FA, PO, LE, NA || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Needs Shock State. Unlike the {{clr|2|2K}} > {{clr|2|236K}} ender, this one will leave your opponent in Shock State. However, it only works on the big boys.
 
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|3|236S}} > 66PRC, 66{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|2H(2)}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Anywhere || || || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Easier alternative if {{clr|4|2H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} will not combo on the character you're facing. Leaves your opponent in Shock State.
 
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|3|236S}} > 66PRC, 66{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > dl.{{clr|4|236H}} || Anywhere || || || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || CSE oki alternative to the above combo.
 
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|3|236S}} > 88PRC > 66{{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|2H(2)}} > {{clr|2|214K}}, {{clr|2|2K}} > {{clr|2|236K}} || Midscreen || 178 || || Everyone except SO, KY, MA, AN, GI || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Needs dash momentum on some characters.
 
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| | 66{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|3|f.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > j.66PRC > {{clr|3|j.S}} > {{clr|4|j.H}} ▷ {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|4|236H}} || Anywhere || 170 || || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || Needs dash momentum. Use the RC Fast Cancel during the j.66PRC. Ky will carry the momentum from Foudre Arc and be able to get a {{clr|3|j.S}} and {{clr|4|j.H}} in before landing.
 
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| | 66{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|3|f.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > j.66PRC > {{clr|3|j.S}} > {{clr|4|j.H}} ▷ {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|4|632146H}} || Anywhere || || -100% || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || Like the above combo, but ends with Ride the Lightning instead of CSE oki. If you're willing to spend all of your meter, this will result in added damage and a guaranteed wallbreak from any part of the stage, even from the opposite corner.
 
 
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > 66{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 214 || || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || High damage meterless corner combo from {{clr|3|c.S}}. The DP input needs to be delayed until after the wallsplat freeze ends since it doesn't buffer during {{clr|3|214S}}'s recovery. Additionally, the {{clr|3|214S}} can be replaced with another {{clr|4|623H}} for 4 more damage, but can whiff on certain characters like Potemkin, unless the second c.S is not dashed.
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|3|214S}}, 66{{clr|2|2K}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}}, {{clr|1|5P}}/{{clr|3|c.S}} WS {{clr|4|623H}}/{{clr|3|214S}} || Corner || 238 || +34% || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || High damage meterless corner combo from {{clr|3|c.S}}. Replace {{clr|1|5P}} with {{clr|3|c.S}} on Medium/Light characters for more damage. Wall break with {{clr|3|214S}} to trade damage for Shock State.
 
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|3|236S}} > 88PRC > j.66 > {{clr|4|j.H}} ▷  {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|3|214S}}, OTG{{clr|4|6H}} > 66{{clr|4|623H}} || Corner/Near Corner || 249 || || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} ||  
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| | CH {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|5|5[D]}}, {{clr|3|2S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}}, {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|3|214S}} WS {{clr|4|623H}} || Near Corner || 228 || +40% || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || Counter Hit {{clr|3|c.S}} punish meterless combo that uses {{clr|5|[5D]}} as launcher on CH confirm.
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|3|236S}} > 66PRC > 66{{clr|4|2H(2)}} > {{clr|2|214K}}, {{clr|2|2K}}, dl.{{clr|4|236H}} || Corner || 174 ||  || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || 2K will wallstick, and instead of using another move, time a 236H to hit the opponent as they recover from sliding down from the wall and force them to block it.
 
 
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| | {{clr|3|f.S}} > {{clr|3|236S~K}} || Anywhere || || || Everyone || {{clr|1|Easy}} || Short "quasi-option select" Combo for poking in neutral. On block or hit Ky safely terminates f.S into Stun Edge.  On counter hit, Ky Option selects into Stun Dipper, giving knock-down and a decent Red-RC opportunity.
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| | CH {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|5|[5D]}}, {{clr|3|2S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} || Anywhere || 166 || ~25% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || You can actually confirm the {{clr|5|5[D]}} very late. Can OTG after Foudre Arc with Foudre Arc if you really want, or do a dashing {{clr|4|236H}} for oki.
 
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > 66RRC > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} , {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > WS {{clr|4|623H}} || Midscreen/ || 224 || ~-25% || Medium and lightweights || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Good damage, carries to corner for wallbreak from midscreen.
 
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| | {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > 66RRC > dash >  {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} , {{clr|2|5K}} >  WS {{clr|4|623H}} || Midscreen || 219 || ~-25% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Alternative version of above that works with heavy characters. Dash is needed or else {{clr|4|623H}} will whiff.
 
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! Combo !! Position !! Damage !! Tension Gain !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
 
! Combo !! Position !! Damage !! Tension Gain !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
 
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| | {{clr|4|2H(1~2)}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Anywhere || 92~106 || ~8% || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Basic anti-air confirm. Should work at any height on both normal and counter hit, and also works on grounded hit provided Ky is close enough.
 
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| | {{clr|4|2H(1)}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} || Midscreen || 125 || ~19% || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || Anti-air confirm on falling opponent. Sends the opponent to the corner. At max height {{clr|4|2H}} hit, the {{clr|2|214K}} will send the opponent flying in the opposite direction and drop the combo.
 
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| | {{clr|4|2H(1)}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|3|214S}} WS {{clr|4|623H}} || Near Corner || 194 || +~30% || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || Similar to above combo adjusted for being close enough to wall stick with {{clr|3|214S}} and then break with {{clr|4|623H}}
 
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| | CH {{clr|4|2H(2)}} > {{clr|4|236H}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} WS {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 267 || +36% || Light/Medium || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Grounded corner 2H Counter Hit punish. Useful after baiting a throw break attempt with backdash. Needs adjustment to work against heavyweight.
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| | CH {{clr|4|2H(1)}} > {{clr|4|236H}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} WS {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 258 || +38% || Light/Medium || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Anti Air {{clr|4|2H}} Counter Hit meterless punish in corner.
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| | CH {{clr|4|2H(1)}} > {{clr|4|236H}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > 66{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 241 || +41% || Faust & Heavyweight || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Above combo adjusted for heavies and faust.
 
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| |{{clr|4|2H}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > {{clr|1|5K}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > {{clr|3|623S}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 236 || +30% || Sol/mediums || {{clr|4|Hard}} || 6H cancel into 623H is pretty tight.
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| |{{clr|4|2H(2)}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > {{clr|2|5K}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 242 || +30% || Medium || {{clr|4|Hard}} || 6H cancel into 623H is pretty tight. {{clr|3|c.S}} can fail to wall stick if hit too late, so {{clr|3|c.S}} can be replaced by {{clr|3|623S}} for a slightly more consistent combo that deals 1 less damage.
 
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| | CH {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|3|2S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} || Anywhere || 153 || ~30% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || BnB meterless {{clr|4|6H}} counterhit confirm.
 
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| | CH {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|2H}} > delay {{clr|3|214S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Near corner || 259 || ~+35% || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || One of the highest, if not the highest, meterless confirms available to Ky. Works a bit away from the corner, but requires a dash before the 2H to get to the corner. On Leo, use {{clr|2|2K}} instead of {{clr|3|c.S}} to wallstick. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbmDRHuWZ8 Video demonstration]
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| | {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|236K}} || Anywhere || 121 || 27% || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || {{clr|4|j.H}} confirm. Needs a deep {{clr|4|j.H}} or the {{clr|3|c.S}} will not combo.
 
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| | {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|236K}} > 66RRC > {{clr|4|2H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Midscreen/Near Corner/Corner || 190 || -47% || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || RC extension for the above combo that will wall stick via {{clr|2|214K}} from midscreen or closer.
 
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| | {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|4|2H(2)}} > {{clr|3|214S}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Near Corner || 197 || ~+34% || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || Simple meterless wallbreak combo from {{clr|4|j.H}} when near corner.
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| | {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|236K}}(2) > 66RRC > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > WS {{clr|4|623H}} || Midscreen || 200 || ~-30% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Deep {{clr|4|j.H}} needed for c.S to work. Works in corner/near corner.
 
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! Combo !! Position !! Damage !! Tension Gain !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
 
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| | {{clr|5|5[D]}}, [8/9], {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > jc > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > {{clr|4|j.H}} > jc > {{clr|3|j.SS}} || Anywhere || || || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} ||
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| | {{clr|5|5[D]}} > [7/8/9] > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.SS}} || Anywhere || 158 || +26% || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Simple beginner charged Dust combo.
 
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| | {{clr|5|5[D]}}, [8/9], {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > jc > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > {{clr|4|j.H}} > jc > {{clr|2|j.K}} > {{clr|3|j.SS}} || When Cornered || 211 || || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || You can tack on a {{clr|2|j.K}} after the second jump cancel for a bit of extra damage. However, it doesn't seem like this is possible if you Dust your opponent midscreen, or when they're in the corner. Only when you're cornered can you apparently get this extra attack in. It could possibly be that the time allowed for a Dust combo depends on where you were when you launched them. Even with this added time in the air you have to be quick and input your attacks as soon as possible. You'll have just barely enough time to get the whole thing. If you aren't cornered, use the above combo instead.
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| | {{clr|5|5[D]}} > [7/8/9] > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > 9jc > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.SS}} || Anywhere || 189 || +29% || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || Slightly more advanced version of the above.
 
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|-  
| | || || || || || [3] {{clr|3|Medium}} ||
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| | {{clr|5|5[D]}} > [7/8/9] > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > 9jc > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > {{clr|4|j.H}} > 9jc > {{clr|3|j.SS}} || Anywhere || 211 || +31% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || BnB Dust combo
 
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|-  
| |  ||  || || || || [4] {{clr|4|Hard}} ||
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| | {{clr|5|5[D]}} > [7/8/9] > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > 9jc > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > {{clr|4|j.H}} > 9jc > {{clr|2|j.K}} > {{clr|3|j.SS}} || When Cornered || 216 || 32% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || The extra Homing Jump air time from landing {{clr|5|5[D]}} when cornered allows you to tack on a {{clr|2|j.K}} after the second jump cancel for a bit of extra damage. Even with this added time, you have to be quick and input your attacks as soon as possible. You'll have just barely enough time to get the whole thing. If you aren't cornered, use the above combo instead.
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 +
| | {{clr|5|5[D]}} > [7/8/9] > (Block burst) > 9 > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > {{clr|4|j.H}} 9jc > {{clr|4|j.HH}} || Anywhere || 154 || 18% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || Route for blocked burst after Dust launch. The jump after blocked burst needs to be delayed slightly or you will fall out, ending the Homing Jump.
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 +
| | {{clr|5|5[D]}} > [7/8/9] > 44 (Burst whiffs) > 9 > {{clr|3|j.S}} > {{clr|4|j.H}} > {{clr|3|j.S}} > {{clr|4|j.HH}} || Anywhere || 143 || 18% || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || Alternate route for reading immediate burst after Dust launch. Easier than blocking the burst because no delay is required afterwards, but does less damage.
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| | CH {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|3|2S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} || Anywhere || 123 || 18% || Everyone || [3] {{clr|3|Medium}} || CH {{clr|5|2D}} confirm into hard knockdown.
 
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! Combo !! Position !! Damage !! Tension Gain !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
 
! Combo !! Position !! Damage !! Tension Gain !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
 
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|| Throw > {{clr|4|6H}} || Midscreen || 91 || 14% || All || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Guaranteed followup to a midscreen throw. Loses the hard knockdown, but sets up a meaty Stun Edge that covers most wakeup options that aren't invincible for fast low profile, such as Sol {{clr|5|2D}}
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|| Throw 66RRC > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|2H(2)}}  > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Midscreen/Near corner || 154 || ~-36% || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || Easy midscreen throw RC combo that leads into wall break from round start distance. Might drop or wall stick earlier if done too close to the corner. For lightweights, the combo needs a slight adjustment of dashing forward after the RRC to bring the opponent closer to the wall.
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|| Throw  > {{clr|4|6H}} || Corner || 91 || 14% || All || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Guaranteed followup to a corner throw. Loses the hard knockdown, but sets up a meaty {{clr|4|6H}} that beats any non-blocking option that isnt a reversal.
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|| Throw 66RRC > {{clr|5|5[D]}} > {{clr|3|2S}}  > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|2|5K}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Midscreen/Near corner || 156 || ~-34% || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || Midscreen throw RC combo. Timing on {{clr|3|2S}} can be tricky as it cannot be buffered from {{clr|5|5[D]}}. If the opponent is not cornered, {{clr|2|5K}} will whiff or fail to wall stick,  but the soft knockdown can still allow for an oki setup. {{clr|3|214S}} can be used as the ender for shock state instead of {{clr|4|623H}} for damage. More difficult than the above combo and might whiff at round start distance, but does more damage and gains more tension.
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|| Throw 66(RC) > {{clr|5|5[D]}} > {{clr|3|2S}}  > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|2|5K}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Midscreen/Near corner || 148 || || All || {{clr|4|Hard}} || Midscreen throw RC combo. Timing on {{clr|3|2S}} can be tricky as it cannot be buffered from {{clr|5|5[D]}}. If the opponent is not cornered, {{clr|2|5K}} will whiff or fail to wallstick,  but the soft knockdown can still allow for an oki setup. {{clr|3|214S}} can be used as the ender if you're not close enough for {{clr|4|623H}}
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|| Throw 44RRC > {{clr|4|236H}} > dash > {{clr|3|2S}}  > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 159 || ~ -40% || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || Hard to burst combo, can dash up and block after fireball to bait the burst again.
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|| Throw 44RRC > {{clr|4|236H}} > (66) {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > {{clr|2|5K}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 165 || ~-35% || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || Burst-safe corner throw RC route. Dashing {{clr|4|6H}} is only necessary if the opponent actually bursts. Against lightweights, can wallsplat with {{clr|3|c.S}} instead of {{clr|2|5K}} for more damage. Against heavyweights, wall stick with {{clr|2|2K}} for more consistency. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wGDJxC5uMw&t=533s Video Example]
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 +
If the opponent ''does'' burst after the 44RC, the combo can still continue if the CSE was timed ''perfectly'' after 44RRC, otherwise Ky simply applies shockstate on block and continues pressure.
 
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{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1" style="margin: 1em auto 1em auto;text-align: center"
|+ These combos need a total DMG value on them
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|+Special Move Starter
 
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! Combo !! Position !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
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! Combo !! Position !! Damage !! Tension Gain !! Works on: !! Difficulty !! Notes
 
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| | || || || || || || [1] {{clr|1|Very Easy}} ||
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|| CH {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|2|2K}} > {{clr|3|214S}} || Anywhere || 88 || ~18% || Everyone || {{clr|1|Very Easy}} || Ground counterhit Foudre Arc combo.
 
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| | || || || || || || [2] {{clr|2|Easy}} ||
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|| Air Hit {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|3|2S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} || Anywhere || 113 || ~18% || Everyone || {{clr|2|Easy}} || Air hit Foudre Arc combo. Works on counterhit as well
 
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| | || || || || || || [3] {{clr|3|Medium}} ||
+
|| CH {{clr|3|214S}} > dash > {{clr|2|2/5K}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > WS > {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 238 || 36% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || corner CH Dire Eclat meterless wallbreak combo. Easier to connect the microdash kick the closer the Eclat hits from.
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|-
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|| CH {{clr|3|214S}} > dash > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} || Anywhere || 156 || ~-34% || Everyone || {{clr|5|Very Hard}} || Very difficult microdash confirm off a counterhit Dire Eclat. Much easier to do when the opponent has the corner behind them of course.
 
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| | ||  || || || || || [4] {{clr|4|Hard}} ||
+
|| CH Shock State {{clr|4|623H}} > dash > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|2H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} || Anywhere || 150 || ~20% || Everyone || {{clr|4|Hard}} || Pretty hard timing to dash after the H DP, have to also time the c.S while Ky is offscreen so it's pretty hard.
 
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| | || || || || || || [5] {{clr|5|Very Hard}} ||
+
|| {{clr|2|236K(1)}} > RRC > {{clr|5|[5D]}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|2|6K}} > {{clr|2|5K}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} || Corner || 167 || -48% || Everyone || {{clr|3|Medium}} || 50 tension wallbreak combo off of stun dipper in the corner.
 
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==Combo Theory==
 
==Combo Theory==
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{| class="wikitable sortable"
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|+ Combo Starters
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|-
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! Button !! Use
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|-
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| {{clr|2|2K}}/{{clr|2|5K}} || Low starter. Confirms into {{clr|1|6P}} > special cancel or {{clr|5|2D}} for knockdown
 +
|-
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| {{clr|1|2P}}/{{clr|2|5P}} || Fastest pokes. Confirms into {{clr|1|6P}} > special cancel (generally {{clr|3|Dire Eclat (214S)}})
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|-
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| {{clr|1|6P}} || Primary anti air button, but also good for footsies. Generally cancelled into {{clr|3|Dire Eclat (214S)}} on hit or block, but does counter hit slow long enough to reliably confirm {{clr|4|Ride the Lightning (632146H)}}
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|-
 +
| {{clr|3|c.S}} || High damage starter, very good as a meaty or frametrap option. Generally gatling into any {{clr|4|H}} button followed by a special cancel. On counter hit, can confirm into {{clr|5|5[D]}} pop-up.
 +
|-
 +
| {{clr|3|f.S}} / {{clr|3|2S}} || Fast long range pokes. Generally cancelled into {{clr|2|Stun Dipper (236K)}} or {{clr|3|Stun Edge (236S)}}, both of which can be extended via roman cancel for damage and corner carry.
 +
|-
 +
| {{clr|4|5H}}  || Slow long range poke that moves Ky forward and is disjointed. Confirms into the same special moves as S normals, but needs a delay for {{clr|2|Stun Dipper (236K)}} to connect both hits depending on distance.
 +
|-
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| {{clr|4|6H}}  || Long range disjointed mid that hits low to the ground. Launches the opponent away on hit, causing a wall bounce when near the corner. Strong meaty as well as frametrap option from {{clr|2|K}} normals.
 +
|-
 +
| {{clr|4|2H}} || Slow committal anti air, generally only used for predictable air options or hard reads, but is a potent frametrap in the corner via {{clr|3|2S}} or backdash to bait a throw break.
 +
|-
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| {{clr|5|2D}} || Great range sweep for hard knockdown. Delay a special cancel {{clr|4|Charged Stun Edge (236H)}} for Okizeme. On counter hit, can convert into a combo via {{clr|2|Foudre Arc (214K)}} or {{clr|3|2S}} > {{clr|4|5H}}
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===Get the Knockdown/Push to the Corner===
 +
The goal with combos is to end them in a way that gets you some kind of advantage beyond just damage. You can end combos into a knockdown, or corner carry to put yourself in a better position. Each ender you choose will set up a different situation after the combo, so think about what you want to accomplish.
 +
 +
Example enders:
 +
* ... > {{clr|5|2D}}
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** Hard knockdown close to Ky, allowing many okizeme setups.
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* ... > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|3|214S}}
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** Corner carry with a knockdown farther from Ky that still allows for good oki.
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* {{clr|3|f.S/2S}} > {{clr|2|236K}}
 +
** Corner carry and damage option, but with weaker oki due to Stun Dipper's short knockdown time.
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* ...(airborne opponent) > {{clr|4|5H/2H}} > {{clr|2|214K}}
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** Large amount of corner carry.
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* ... > {{clr|4|632146H}} / {{clr|1|236236P}}
 +
** Overdrive ender for high damage, and in Ride The Lightning's case a huge amount of corner carry, wallbreaking from a slightly further distance than round start position.
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 +
==={{clr|4|5H}} > Foudre Arc Loops===
 +
{{clr|4|5H}} launches opponents vertically on air hit, putting them in the perfect position for Foudre Arc ({{clr|2|214K}}) afterwards. This sequence can be looped off a wide variety of starters for a large amount of corner carry as long as {{clr|4|5H}} hits the opponent in the air, including (but not limited to) [[GGST/Movement#Roman Cancels|Red Roman Cancel]]'s launch, anti-air {{clr|1|5P}}/{{clr|4|2H}}, and CH {{clr|4|6H}}. When the corner carry is enough to reach the corner itself, {{clr|2|5K}} {{clr|4|6H}} after the second {{clr|2|214K}} is very likely to wall stick, earning you [[GGST/Gauges#Positive Bonus|Positive Bonus]] from the resulting Wall Break.
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==={{clr|4|6H}} Wallbounce===
 +
In the corner, {{clr|4|6H}} will bounce the opponent off the wall on hit. This allows combo extensions with {{clr|2|214K}} (if far enough, that is. {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} will whiff if Ky is too close to the corner) and Shock State {{clr|3|623S}}/{{clr|4|H}} for increased damage.
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==={{clr|3|214S}} OTG Relaunch===
 +
In the corner, combos that don't push you out too far can be ended in {{clr|3|214S}} and picked up with an Off-the-Ground hit to continue the combo, taking advantage of the applied Shock State to increase your damage.
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 +
Essentially, there's a short time after an opponent is hit by {{clr|3|214S}} that they can be launched into the air again if struck by an attack. The most reliable move you have to do this with is {{clr|2|2K}}, since it's very fast, reaches a long distance, and gatlings to {{clr|4|6H}} to allow you to wallbounce the opponent.
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Example routes: <br>
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*{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|3|214S}}, 66{{clr|2|2K}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > SS {{clr|4|623H}}, {{clr|1|5P}} > {{clr|4|623H}}
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*CH {{clr|3|214S}}, {{clr|4|66H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}} > {{clr|3|623S}}
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=== {{clr|5|5[D]}} Pickup ===
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After any Red Roman Cancel (easiest with 66RC) and also certain counterhits (such as {{clr|3|c.S}}), Ky can use a fully charged {{clr|5|Dust}} to pop the opponent up in the air, allowing certain combo pickups. The most common route after {{clr|5|5[D]}} popup is {{clr|3|2S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}} > ...
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 +
This works anywhere on the screen and is consistent against all characters.
  
 
==={{clr|4|2H}} > Foudre Arc===
 
==={{clr|4|2H}} > Foudre Arc===
{{clr|4|2H}} can be comboed into Foudre Arc ({{clr|2|214K}}) on most characters. It does not work on Sol, Ky, May, Anji, and Giovanna. However, it could still be worth trying if the opponent is in Shock State due to Foudre Arc being very plus on block if blocked while in Shock State, allowing for a reset situation. You could go for tick throws with {{clr|1|2P}}, a low with {{clr|2|5K}}, or a blockstring ending with Stun Edge to reapply Shock State after Foudre Arc gets rid of it, allowing you to go for another Foudre Arc in neutral or in another blockstring and pressure them again if they respect it too much. Be wary of how long the opponent has been in Shock State, since it does not last very long and could wear off when you've already committed to a Foudre Arc. You're still safe on block, but you'll be -1 at point blank or between 0 and +6 depending on spacing. Or, if they've been hit by your {{clr|4|2H}} and Shock State wears off before Foudre Arc hits, you will not be able to link anything afterward.
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{{clr|4|2H}} combos into {{clr|2|214K}} on most characters. It does not work on grounded Sol, Ky, May, Anji, and Giovanna.
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If {{clr|2|214K}} hit your opponent while they were in Shock State, you can usually link a {{clr|2|5K}} or {{clr|2|2K}} and cancel that into Stun Dipper ({{clr|2|236K}}) to end the combo, depending on the character and spacing. A {{clr|2|5K}} link will not work on some characters at all. {{clr|2|2K}} is more reliable since it reaches further. The {{clr|2|2K}} link works on everyone except for I-No. She requires you to be point blank with your {{clr|4|2H}}, otherwise {{clr|2|2K}} won't reach. On the larger characters like Faust, Potemkin, Leo, and Nagoriyuki, you can instead end the combo with Dire Eclat ({{clr|3|214S}}) instead of {{clr|2|236K}}, since their hurtboxes are bigger than the other characters on whom max range {{clr|2|2K}} > {{clr|3|214S}} will not work on. This will reapply Shock State, making it preferable over Stun Dipper for these characters.
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==Dragon Installed Combo Guide==
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In DI state Ky's combos are greatly improved in damage and Okizeme, but they executes in quite a different way. You need to know well about how the DI specials change to create your own efficient DI combos.
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* The specials are mainly ranked in efficiency (for your reference) in DI state COMBOS.
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==={{clr|4|623H}} H Vapor Thrust===
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* Pre DI: Reversal starter, Shock State combo filler, wall breaker.
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* DI: Better reversal starter ({{clr|3|+}}), all purpose Combo filler ({{clr|3|+++}}), not a good wall breaker (very mild {{clr|4|-}}), air-to-ground combo converter ({{clr|3|+}}).
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In DI, H Vapor Thrust is significantly buffed that it pops the opponent very high on hit, even on normal ground hit. Links to a {{clr|3|c.S}} on hit even in midscreen. However, the time to confirm a midscreen hit as a launcher is quite tight, allowing merely 1~2 hits before {{clr|4|623H}} only, and the route is only reliable when in very limited range(e.g. {{clr|2|5K}}/{{clr|2|2K}}/{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|4|623H}}). Be sure that the opponent is opened up or you will end up with a blocked DP and the round ends. When the opponent is cornered, the confirm window becomes wider with {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|623H}}.
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Notably DI H Vapor Thrust launches lower and push back harder as combo time goes. To counter this effect, Ky need to launch the opponent early in the combo, with normals or DI H Vapor Thrust, to build up the height, then the rest of the combo can go on with decreased pushed back and enough height in the air.
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Other than a combo filler, DI H Vapor Thrust has a less seen use: you can actually use a Aerial {{clr|4|623H}} to confirm air hit into ground combo. This must be done high to gain enough frames to attack before the opponent hits the ground though.
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H Vapor Thrust is "the wall breaker" before DI, but in DI it becomes a 3-hit move, resulting lower wall break damage. Use {{clr|5|5[D]}} when close and with enough time, or {{clr|4|6H}} as a quicker and longer substitution.
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==={{clr|2|236K}} Stun Dipper===
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* Pre DI: Mid-range soft knock down securer.
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* DI: High damage hard knock down securer, great ender of midscreen combos ({{clr|3|++}}).
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Stun Dipper is another greatly buffed move in DI. It now HKD the opponent for Ky, allowing a Stun Edge Charge Attack Okizeme, making this move far beyond a mid-range soft knock down securer. Easiest way to utilize DI Stun Dipper is to simply cancel from {{clr|5|2D}} to add free damage without losing any bit of Okizeme. For short combos in midscreen, Stun Dipper works well against airborne opponents, but usually you need to delay the input for a full hit. Moreover, DI Stun Dipper gets 80% extra damage, making it an optimized ender in case of both damage and Okizeme midscreen.
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e.g. {{clr|2|5K}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|1|236236P}}, {{clr|4|5H}} > dl {{clr|2|236K}}(, {{clr|4|236H}}) Damage: 171
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      {{clr|2|5K}} > {{clr|5|2D}} > {{clr|1|236236P}}, {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}}(, dash button{{clr|4|236H}}) Damage: 160
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==={{clr|2|214K}} Foudre Arc===
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* Pre DI: Mid-range hard knock down securer, corner combo filler.
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* DI: Basically works the same, but the damage is poor when compared to other DI move ({{clr|4|-}}). More inconsistent issues with 3 hits ({{clr|4|-}}).
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DI Foudre Arc works pretty much the same in DI, but the damage is much lower than DI H Vapor Thrust. This means the more Foudre Arc you use in a combo, the poorer damage it will deal. As a mid screen HKD ender, it deals less damage than Stun Dipper with no other advantage. However, Foudre Arc still holds the place of the corner pusher when the opponent is out of DI H Vapor Thrust 's range.
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Another issue of DI Foudre Arc is the increased hits. DI Foudre Arc tends to whiff some hits when used late in combo, due to the opponent is pushed out of its range in previous hits, which can lead to combo drop or fail to wall stick. When used nearly Wall Stick, this move can itself Wall Stick and then Wall Break, resulting a very poor ender: it is not damaging at all and impossible to convert into a super Wall Break.
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==={{clr|3|214S}} Dire Eclat===
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* Pre DI: Mid screen close range hard knock down ender, frametrap meterless CH combo starter, high damage Shock State applier in corner combos.
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* DI: Still a nice close range hard knock down ender (~), more damaging frametrap meterless CH combo starter with larger push back (~), no more Shock State during DI, and it is a overall bad move mid combo ({{clr|4|--}}).
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Dire Eclat is always "the move" to cancel into after {{clr|1|2P}}/{{clr|1|5P}}*n > {{clr|1|6P}}, in DI or not. It still holds the ability to start meterless frametrap CH punish combos, with improved damage during DI.
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e.g. Corner CH {{clr|3|214S}}, {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|2|214K}}, 66{{clr|2|5K}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|2|236K}} WS {{clr|5|5[D]}} Damage: 234.
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When used mid combo, the increased hits makes the push back so hard that OTG pick up is extremely hard. If you are in range of DI Dire Eclat, you can almost always do a H Vapor Thrust instead to reach much higher damage with even easier execution. This move also has the same multi-hit based problem just like DI Foudre Arc, making it a poor Wall Sticker.
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==={{clr|3|236S}} Stun Edge===
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* Pre DI: Rarely used in combo without RC.
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* DI: Optimized Wall Sticker, but with some very tight calculation and execution ({{clr|3|+}}).
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DI Stun Edge gets 100% damage boost, hits quite hard at 60 damage, and it only deals two hits, which makes it perfect to wall stick even from a distance (actually it does the job better when used from a distance). However, when used point blank in the corner it can Wall Break from itself if a miscalculation happens, or even execute the combo slightly slower can lead to a early Wall Break. On a successful Wall Stick, use {{clr|5|5[D]}} when close, or {{clr|4|6H}} as a quicker and longer substitution. Other than that, it remains the same with high damage boost, and works well with PRC.
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e.g. Midscreen {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|623H}}, {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} > {{clr|4|623H}}, {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|3|236S}} WS, {{clr|5|5[D]}} Damage: 273
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      ... > {{clr|3|214S}} WS WB Damage: 260 
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      ... > {{clr|4|6H}} WS, {{clr|5|5[D]}} Damage: 272 (so use {{clr|4|6H}} WS instead if not so confident.)
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==={{clr|3|623S}} S Vapor Thrust===
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* Pre DI: Shock State anti-air reversal starter.
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* DI: Anti-air reversal starter (mild {{clr|3|+}}).
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DI S Vapor Thrust is not so damaging than the H version, but you always need to use it sometime to cover some different area. It pops up significantly lower than the H version so it need some height already built, that is, against an airborne opponent. You will have to decide which move you should use to catch the opponent falling, depending their height, distance, and how the hits connects. It is usually not a good idea to use this move mid combo, since this move deals significantly lower damage than other DI specials (60), and it lacks forward hitbox or momentum to reliably land both hits.
  
If Foudre Arc hit your opponent while they were in Shock State, you can usually link a {{clr|2|5K}} or {{clr|2|2K}} and cancel that into Stun Dipper to end the combo, depending on the character and spacing. A {{clr|2|5K}} link will not work on some characters at all. {{clr|2|2K}} is more reliable since it reaches further than its standing counterpart. The {{clr|2|2K}} link works on everyone except for I-No. She requires you to be point blank with your {{clr|4|2H}}, otherwise {{clr|2|2K}} won't reach. On the larger characters like Faust, Potemkin, Leo, and Nagoriyuki, you can instead end the combo with Dire Eclat over Stun Dipper, since their hurtboxes are bigger than the other characters, on whom max range {{clr|2|2K}} > Dire Eclat will not work on. This will reapply Shock State, making it preferable over Stun Dipper for these characters.
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If the Stun Edge is PRC'd, you can continue the combo using the hitstun of Stun Edge. However, it seems that most characters require dash momentum for {{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|5H}} into Stun Edge to combo. Will have to test more when the game releases.
 
 
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Combo Notation GuideCharacter Name Abbreviations
7 InputIcon 7.png 8 InputIcon 8.png 9 InputIcon 9.png
4 InputIcon 4.png 5 InputIcon 5.png 6 InputIcon 6.png
1 InputIcon 1.png 2 InputIcon 2.png 3 InputIcon 3.png
Numbers represent direction on a keyboard numpad. For example InputIcon 236.png+GGST P Prompt.png becomes 236P.
> = Proceed from the previous move to the following move.
land = Indicate that the player must land at a point in the sequence.
, = Link the previous move into the following move.
->/~ = Cancel the previous special into a follow-up special.
dl./delay = Delay the following move.
whiff/(whiff) = The move must whiff (not hit).
c. = Close
f. = Far
j = Jump
hj/sj = High Jump/Super Jump
jc = Jump Cancel
hjc/sjc = High Jump Cancel/Super Jump Cancel
dc/adc = Dash Cancel/Air Dash Cancel
CH = Counter Hit
AA = Anti-Air
WS = Wall Stick/Wall Splat
[X] = Hold input.
]X[ = Release input
(move) = Move is optional.
[sequence]xN = Repeat sequence N amount of times.
(N) = Attack must deal N amount of hits.
[X] or [Y] = Perform X or Y.
IAD = Instant Air Dash
BRC = Blue Roman Cancel
RRC = Red Roman Cancel
PRC = Purple Roman Cancel
YRC = Yellow Roman Cancel
YYXRC = Dash Input X Roman Cancel in Y direction i.e: 22PRC
XRC~Q = Cancel the X Roman Cancel into Q i.e: RRC~5K
AN = GGST Anji Mito Icon.png Anji
AX = GGST Axl Low Icon.png Axl
CH = GGST Chipp Zanuff Icon.png Chipp
FA = GGST Faust Icon.png Faust
GI = GGST Giovanna Icon.png Giovanna
GO = GGST Goldlewis Dickinson Icon.png Goldlewis
IN = GGST I-No Icon.png I-No
JC = GGST Jack-O' Icon.png Jack-O
KY = GGST Ky Kiske Icon.png Ky
LE = GGST Leo Whitefang Icon.png Leo
MA = GGST May Icon.png May
MI = GGST Millia Rage Icon.png Millia
NA = GGST Nagoriyuki Icon.png Nagoriyuki
PO = GGST Potemkin Icon.png Potemkin
RA = GGST Ramlethal Valentine Icon.png Ramlethal
SO = GGST Sol Badguy Icon.png Sol
ZT = GGST Zato-1 Icon.png Zato-1

Combo List

  • This list is meant for actual combos, not for frame traps, blockstrings, or mixups. If the combo itself allows to set them up afterwards, it is mentioned in the "Notes" field).
  • The list is focused on most practical examples, not every single option that exists.
  • All damage values are damage dealt to Ky unless the combo cannot work on him, in which case the character with the closest defense modifier is used.
  • The difficulty is ranked on a scale of 1 to 5 (Very Easy, Easy, Medium, Hard and Very Hard) based on various factors (cancel leniency, link timings, special techniques, range consistency, etc).
5P/2P/5K/2K Starters
Combo Position Damage Tension Gain Works on: Difficulty Notes
2P > (2P > 2P) > 6P > 214S Anywhere 69 16% Everyone Very Easy Simple, easy confirm from 2P that grants Shock State. Subtract Ps based on range. Works off of 5P too, but 5P whiffs on most crouchers.
5K/2K > 2D > 214S Anywhere 66~70 16% Everyone Very Easy Confirm into Dire Eclat. Grants Shock State and a knockdown.
5K/2K > 2D Anywhere 48 10% Everyone Very Easy Confirm off of 5K or 2K into 2D into meaty Charged Stun Edge for both okizeme and Shock State. The CSE will pass over them by the time they get up unless you delay it or if the opponent was hit by 2D at a far enough range.
5K/2K > 6H > 214S, 662K/5K > 6H > 623H, 5P/c.S WS 623H/214S Corner 174 30% Everyone Hard High damage corner combo for when the opponent is hit crouching. Replace 5P with c.S on light and medium weights for more damage. Wall break with 214S to trade damage for Shock State.
5K/2K > 2D > 214S > RRC, 665H > 623H, c.S > 5H > 214K WS 623H Back to Corner 164 ~-20% Light and Medium weights Medium Side switches and wall breaks. Run under the opponent after the RRC. The RRC can be done as either neutral RRC or 88RRC, but 66RRC will not let you run under the opponent.
5K/2K > 2D > 214S > RRC, 665H > 623H, 2K > 6P WS 623H Back to Corner 154 ~-20% Everyone Hard Alternate version of the above for heavyweights. Getting the timing for 2K after the Vapor Thrust can be tricky.
c.S/f.S/2S Starters
Combo Position Damage Tension Gain Works on: Difficulty Notes
c.S > 214S Anywhere 77 +12% Everyone Very Easy Applies Shock State. Sets up safejumps with IAD j.H or 66214K.
c.S > 5H > 236K Anywhere 112 +17% Everyone Easy Spacing dependent. Delay the cancel from 5H to 236K if close to the opponent. 5H can also be replaced with f.S and 2S.
c.S > 5H > 236S > 66PRC, 66c.S > 2H(2) > 214S Anywhere 167 ~-23% Everyone Medium Leaves your opponent in Shock State. Can opt to use 2D for CSE Oki instead of ending with 2H(2) > 214S.
c.S > 6H > 214K > 66c.S > 6H > 214S WS 623H Corner 219 +35% Everyone Medium High damage meterless corner combo from c.S. The 214S can be replaced with another 623H for 4 more damage, but this can whiff on certain large characters like Potemkin unless the second c.S is not dashed.
c.S > 6H > 214S, 662K > 6H > 623H, 5P/c.S WS 623H/214S Corner 238 +34% Everyone Hard High damage meterless corner combo from c.S. Replace 5P with c.S on Medium/Light characters for more damage. Wall break with 214S to trade damage for Shock State.
CH c.S > 5[D], 2S > 5H > 214K, 6H214S WS 623H Near Corner 228 +40% Everyone Hard Counter Hit c.S punish meterless combo that uses [5D] as launcher on CH confirm.
CH c.S > [5D], 2S > 5H > 214K Anywhere 166 ~25% Everyone Medium You can actually confirm the 5[D] very late. Can OTG after Foudre Arc with Foudre Arc if you really want, or do a dashing 236H for oki.
c.S > 5H > 214S > 66RRC > c.S > 5H > 623H , c.S > 214S > WS 623H Midscreen/ 224 ~-25% Medium and lightweights Medium Good damage, carries to corner for wallbreak from midscreen.
c.S > 5H > 214S > 66RRC > dash > c.S > 6H > 623H , 5K > WS 623H Midscreen 219 ~-25% Everyone Medium Alternative version of above that works with heavy characters. Dash is needed or else 623H will whiff.
5H/2H/6H Combos
Combo Position Damage Tension Gain Works on: Difficulty Notes
2H(1~2) > 623H Anywhere 92~106 ~8% Everyone Very Easy Basic anti-air confirm. Should work at any height on both normal and counter hit, and also works on grounded hit provided Ky is close enough.
2H(1) > 214K > 5H > 214K Midscreen 125 ~19% Everyone Easy Anti-air confirm on falling opponent. Sends the opponent to the corner. At max height 2H hit, the 214K will send the opponent flying in the opposite direction and drop the combo.
2H(1) > 214K > 5H > 214K > c.S > 214S WS 623H Near Corner 194 +~30% Everyone Easy Similar to above combo adjusted for being close enough to wall stick with 214S and then break with 623H
CH 2H(2) > 236H > 6H > 623H > c.S WS 623H Corner 267 +36% Light/Medium Medium Grounded corner 2H Counter Hit punish. Useful after baiting a throw break attempt with backdash. Needs adjustment to work against heavyweight.
CH 2H(1) > 236H > 6H > 623H > c.S > 5H > 214K WS 623H Corner 258 +38% Light/Medium Medium Anti Air 2H Counter Hit meterless punish in corner.
CH 2H(1) > 236H > 5H > 214K > 66c.S > 5H > 214S > 623H Corner 241 +41% Faust & Heavyweight Medium Above combo adjusted for heavies and faust.
2H(2) > 214S > 5K > 6H > 623H > c.S > 623H Corner 242 +30% Medium Hard 6H cancel into 623H is pretty tight. c.S can fail to wall stick if hit too late, so c.S can be replaced by 623S for a slightly more consistent combo that deals 1 less damage.
CH 6H > 214K > 2S > 5H > 214K Anywhere 153 ~30% Everyone Medium BnB meterless 6H counterhit confirm.
CH 6H > 2H > delay 214S > 6H > 623H > c.S > 623H Near corner 259 ~+35% Everyone Hard One of the highest, if not the highest, meterless confirms available to Ky. Works a bit away from the corner, but requires a dash before the 2H to get to the corner. On Leo, use 2K instead of c.S to wallstick. Video demonstration
Jump-in Starters
Combo Position Damage Tension Gain Works on: Difficulty Notes
j.H > c.S > 5H > 236K Anywhere 121 27% Everyone Easy j.H confirm. Needs a deep j.H or the c.S will not combo.
j.H > c.S > 5H > 236K > 66RRC > 2H > 214K > 623H Midscreen/Near Corner/Corner 190 -47% Everyone Easy RC extension for the above combo that will wall stick via 214K from midscreen or closer.
j.H > c.S > 6H > 214K > 2H(2) > 214S > 623H Near Corner 197 ~+34% Everyone Easy Simple meterless wallbreak combo from j.H when near corner.
j.H > c.S > 5H > 236K(2) > 66RRC > c.S > 6H > 623H > WS 623H Midscreen 200 ~-30% Everyone Medium Deep j.H needed for c.S to work. Works in corner/near corner.
Dust Combos
Combo Position Damage Tension Gain Works on: Difficulty Notes
5[D] > [7/8/9] > j.H > j.SS Anywhere 158 +26% Everyone Very Easy Simple beginner charged Dust combo.
5[D] > [7/8/9] > j.H > j.S > 9jc > j.H > j.SS Anywhere 189 +29% Everyone Easy Slightly more advanced version of the above.
5[D] > [7/8/9] > j.H > j.S > 9jc > j.H > j.S > j.H > 9jc > j.SS Anywhere 211 +31% Everyone Medium BnB Dust combo
5[D] > [7/8/9] > j.H > j.S > 9jc > j.H > j.S > j.H > 9jc > j.K > j.SS When Cornered 216 32% Everyone Medium The extra Homing Jump air time from landing 5[D] when cornered allows you to tack on a j.K after the second jump cancel for a bit of extra damage. Even with this added time, you have to be quick and input your attacks as soon as possible. You'll have just barely enough time to get the whole thing. If you aren't cornered, use the above combo instead.
5[D] > [7/8/9] > (Block burst) > 9 > j.H > j.S > j.H 9jc > j.HH Anywhere 154 18% Everyone Medium Route for blocked burst after Dust launch. The jump after blocked burst needs to be delayed slightly or you will fall out, ending the Homing Jump.
5[D] > [7/8/9] > 44 (Burst whiffs) > 9 > j.S > j.H > j.S > j.HH Anywhere 143 18% Everyone Easy Alternate route for reading immediate burst after Dust launch. Easier than blocking the burst because no delay is required afterwards, but does less damage.
CH 2D > 214K > 2S > 5H > 214K Anywhere 123 18% Everyone [3] Medium CH 2D confirm into hard knockdown.
Ground Throw Starter
Combo Position Damage Tension Gain Works on: Difficulty Notes
Throw 66RRC > c.S > 2H(2) > 214K > 5H > 214K > 623H Midscreen/Near corner 154 ~-36% Everyone Easy Easy midscreen throw RC combo that leads into wall break from round start distance. Might drop or wall stick earlier if done too close to the corner. For lightweights, the combo needs a slight adjustment of dashing forward after the RRC to bring the opponent closer to the wall.
Throw 66RRC > 5[D] > 2S > 5H > 214K > 5K > 623H Midscreen/Near corner 156 ~-34% Everyone Hard Midscreen throw RC combo. Timing on 2S can be tricky as it cannot be buffered from 5[D]. If the opponent is not cornered, 5K will whiff or fail to wall stick, but the soft knockdown can still allow for an oki setup. 214S can be used as the ender for shock state instead of 623H for damage. More difficult than the above combo and might whiff at round start distance, but does more damage and gains more tension.
Throw 44RRC > 236H > dash > 2S > 5H > 214K > 623H Corner 159 ~ -40% Everyone Hard Hard to burst combo, can dash up and block after fireball to bait the burst again.
Throw 44RRC > 236H > (66) 6H > 623H > 5K > 623H Corner 165 ~-35% Everyone Hard Burst-safe corner throw RC route. Dashing 6H is only necessary if the opponent actually bursts. Against lightweights, can wallsplat with c.S instead of 5K for more damage. Against heavyweights, wall stick with 2K for more consistency. Video Example

If the opponent does burst after the 44RC, the combo can still continue if the CSE was timed perfectly after 44RRC, otherwise Ky simply applies shockstate on block and continues pressure.

Special Move Starter
Combo Position Damage Tension Gain Works on: Difficulty Notes
CH 214K > 2K > 214S Anywhere 88 ~18% Everyone Very Easy Ground counterhit Foudre Arc combo.
Air Hit 214K > 2S > 5H > 214K Anywhere 113 ~18% Everyone Easy Air hit Foudre Arc combo. Works on counterhit as well
CH 214S > dash > 2/5K > 6H > 623H > c.S > WS > 623H Corner 238 36% Everyone Medium corner CH Dire Eclat meterless wallbreak combo. Easier to connect the microdash kick the closer the Eclat hits from.
CH 214S > dash > 5H > 214K > 5H > 214K Anywhere 156 ~-34% Everyone Very Hard Very difficult microdash confirm off a counterhit Dire Eclat. Much easier to do when the opponent has the corner behind them of course.
CH Shock State 623H > dash > c.S > 2H > 214K Anywhere 150 ~20% Everyone Hard Pretty hard timing to dash after the H DP, have to also time the c.S while Ky is offscreen so it's pretty hard.
236K(1) > RRC > [5D] > c.S > 6K > 5K > 6H > 623H > 623H Corner 167 -48% Everyone Medium 50 tension wallbreak combo off of stun dipper in the corner.

Combo Theory

Combo Starters
Button Use
2K/5K Low starter. Confirms into 6P > special cancel or 2D for knockdown
2P/5P Fastest pokes. Confirms into 6P > special cancel (generally Dire Eclat (214S))
6P Primary anti air button, but also good for footsies. Generally cancelled into Dire Eclat (214S) on hit or block, but does counter hit slow long enough to reliably confirm Ride the Lightning (632146H)
c.S High damage starter, very good as a meaty or frametrap option. Generally gatling into any H button followed by a special cancel. On counter hit, can confirm into 5[D] pop-up.
f.S / 2S Fast long range pokes. Generally cancelled into Stun Dipper (236K) or Stun Edge (236S), both of which can be extended via roman cancel for damage and corner carry.
5H Slow long range poke that moves Ky forward and is disjointed. Confirms into the same special moves as S normals, but needs a delay for Stun Dipper (236K) to connect both hits depending on distance.
6H Long range disjointed mid that hits low to the ground. Launches the opponent away on hit, causing a wall bounce when near the corner. Strong meaty as well as frametrap option from K normals.
2H Slow committal anti air, generally only used for predictable air options or hard reads, but is a potent frametrap in the corner via 2S or backdash to bait a throw break.
2D Great range sweep for hard knockdown. Delay a special cancel Charged Stun Edge (236H) for Okizeme. On counter hit, can convert into a combo via Foudre Arc (214K) or 2S > 5H

Get the Knockdown/Push to the Corner

The goal with combos is to end them in a way that gets you some kind of advantage beyond just damage. You can end combos into a knockdown, or corner carry to put yourself in a better position. Each ender you choose will set up a different situation after the combo, so think about what you want to accomplish.

Example enders:

  • ... > 2D
    • Hard knockdown close to Ky, allowing many okizeme setups.
  • ... > 2D > 214S
    • Corner carry with a knockdown farther from Ky that still allows for good oki.
  • f.S/2S > 236K
    • Corner carry and damage option, but with weaker oki due to Stun Dipper's short knockdown time.
  • ...(airborne opponent) > 5H/2H > 214K
    • Large amount of corner carry.
  • ... > 632146H / 236236P
    • Overdrive ender for high damage, and in Ride The Lightning's case a huge amount of corner carry, wallbreaking from a slightly further distance than round start position.

5H > Foudre Arc Loops

5H launches opponents vertically on air hit, putting them in the perfect position for Foudre Arc (214K) afterwards. This sequence can be looped off a wide variety of starters for a large amount of corner carry as long as 5H hits the opponent in the air, including (but not limited to) Red Roman Cancel's launch, anti-air 5P/2H, and CH 6H. When the corner carry is enough to reach the corner itself, 5K 6H after the second 214K is very likely to wall stick, earning you Positive Bonus from the resulting Wall Break.

6H Wallbounce

In the corner, 6H will bounce the opponent off the wall on hit. This allows combo extensions with 214K (if far enough, that is. 6H > 214K will whiff if Ky is too close to the corner) and Shock State 623S/H for increased damage.

214S OTG Relaunch

In the corner, combos that don't push you out too far can be ended in 214S and picked up with an Off-the-Ground hit to continue the combo, taking advantage of the applied Shock State to increase your damage.

Essentially, there's a short time after an opponent is hit by 214S that they can be launched into the air again if struck by an attack. The most reliable move you have to do this with is 2K, since it's very fast, reaches a long distance, and gatlings to 6H to allow you to wallbounce the opponent.

Example routes:

  • c.S > 6H > 214S, 662K > 6H > SS 623H, 5P > 623H
  • CH 214S, 66H > 623H > c.S > 6H > 623H > 623S

5[D] Pickup

After any Red Roman Cancel (easiest with 66RC) and also certain counterhits (such as c.S), Ky can use a fully charged Dust to pop the opponent up in the air, allowing certain combo pickups. The most common route after 5[D] popup is 2S > 5H > 214K > ...

This works anywhere on the screen and is consistent against all characters.

2H > Foudre Arc

2H combos into 214K on most characters. It does not work on grounded Sol, Ky, May, Anji, and Giovanna.

If 214K hit your opponent while they were in Shock State, you can usually link a 5K or 2K and cancel that into Stun Dipper (236K) to end the combo, depending on the character and spacing. A 5K link will not work on some characters at all. 2K is more reliable since it reaches further. The 2K link works on everyone except for I-No. She requires you to be point blank with your 2H, otherwise 2K won't reach. On the larger characters like Faust, Potemkin, Leo, and Nagoriyuki, you can instead end the combo with Dire Eclat (214S) instead of 236K, since their hurtboxes are bigger than the other characters on whom max range 2K > 214S will not work on. This will reapply Shock State, making it preferable over Stun Dipper for these characters.

Dragon Installed Combo Guide

In DI state Ky's combos are greatly improved in damage and Okizeme, but they executes in quite a different way. You need to know well about how the DI specials change to create your own efficient DI combos.

  • The specials are mainly ranked in efficiency (for your reference) in DI state COMBOS.

623H H Vapor Thrust

  • Pre DI: Reversal starter, Shock State combo filler, wall breaker.
  • DI: Better reversal starter (+), all purpose Combo filler (+++), not a good wall breaker (very mild -), air-to-ground combo converter (+).

In DI, H Vapor Thrust is significantly buffed that it pops the opponent very high on hit, even on normal ground hit. Links to a c.S on hit even in midscreen. However, the time to confirm a midscreen hit as a launcher is quite tight, allowing merely 1~2 hits before 623H only, and the route is only reliable when in very limited range(e.g. 5K/2K/c.S > 2D > 623H). Be sure that the opponent is opened up or you will end up with a blocked DP and the round ends. When the opponent is cornered, the confirm window becomes wider with c.S > 6H > 623H.

Notably DI H Vapor Thrust launches lower and push back harder as combo time goes. To counter this effect, Ky need to launch the opponent early in the combo, with normals or DI H Vapor Thrust, to build up the height, then the rest of the combo can go on with decreased pushed back and enough height in the air.

Other than a combo filler, DI H Vapor Thrust has a less seen use: you can actually use a Aerial 623H to confirm air hit into ground combo. This must be done high to gain enough frames to attack before the opponent hits the ground though.

H Vapor Thrust is "the wall breaker" before DI, but in DI it becomes a 3-hit move, resulting lower wall break damage. Use 5[D] when close and with enough time, or 6H as a quicker and longer substitution.

236K Stun Dipper

  • Pre DI: Mid-range soft knock down securer.
  • DI: High damage hard knock down securer, great ender of midscreen combos (++).

Stun Dipper is another greatly buffed move in DI. It now HKD the opponent for Ky, allowing a Stun Edge Charge Attack Okizeme, making this move far beyond a mid-range soft knock down securer. Easiest way to utilize DI Stun Dipper is to simply cancel from 2D to add free damage without losing any bit of Okizeme. For short combos in midscreen, Stun Dipper works well against airborne opponents, but usually you need to delay the input for a full hit. Moreover, DI Stun Dipper gets 80% extra damage, making it an optimized ender in case of both damage and Okizeme midscreen.

e.g. 5K > 2D > 236236P, 5H > dl 236K(, 236H) Damage: 171
     5K > 2D > 236236P, 5H > 214K(, dash button236H) Damage: 160

214K Foudre Arc

  • Pre DI: Mid-range hard knock down securer, corner combo filler.
  • DI: Basically works the same, but the damage is poor when compared to other DI move (-). More inconsistent issues with 3 hits (-).

DI Foudre Arc works pretty much the same in DI, but the damage is much lower than DI H Vapor Thrust. This means the more Foudre Arc you use in a combo, the poorer damage it will deal. As a mid screen HKD ender, it deals less damage than Stun Dipper with no other advantage. However, Foudre Arc still holds the place of the corner pusher when the opponent is out of DI H Vapor Thrust 's range.

Another issue of DI Foudre Arc is the increased hits. DI Foudre Arc tends to whiff some hits when used late in combo, due to the opponent is pushed out of its range in previous hits, which can lead to combo drop or fail to wall stick. When used nearly Wall Stick, this move can itself Wall Stick and then Wall Break, resulting a very poor ender: it is not damaging at all and impossible to convert into a super Wall Break.

214S Dire Eclat

  • Pre DI: Mid screen close range hard knock down ender, frametrap meterless CH combo starter, high damage Shock State applier in corner combos.
  • DI: Still a nice close range hard knock down ender (~), more damaging frametrap meterless CH combo starter with larger push back (~), no more Shock State during DI, and it is a overall bad move mid combo (--).

Dire Eclat is always "the move" to cancel into after 2P/5P*n > 6P, in DI or not. It still holds the ability to start meterless frametrap CH punish combos, with improved damage during DI.

e.g. Corner CH 214S, 5H > 214K, 665K > 6H > 236K WS 5[D] Damage: 234.

When used mid combo, the increased hits makes the push back so hard that OTG pick up is extremely hard. If you are in range of DI Dire Eclat, you can almost always do a H Vapor Thrust instead to reach much higher damage with even easier execution. This move also has the same multi-hit based problem just like DI Foudre Arc, making it a poor Wall Sticker.

236S Stun Edge

  • Pre DI: Rarely used in combo without RC.
  • DI: Optimized Wall Sticker, but with some very tight calculation and execution (+).

DI Stun Edge gets 100% damage boost, hits quite hard at 60 damage, and it only deals two hits, which makes it perfect to wall stick even from a distance (actually it does the job better when used from a distance). However, when used point blank in the corner it can Wall Break from itself if a miscalculation happens, or even execute the combo slightly slower can lead to a early Wall Break. On a successful Wall Stick, use 5[D] when close, or 6H as a quicker and longer substitution. Other than that, it remains the same with high damage boost, and works well with PRC.

e.g. Midscreen c.S > 623H, c.S > 5H > 623H, c.S > 236S WS, 5[D] Damage: 273 
     ... > 214S WS WB Damage: 260  
     ... > 6H WS, 5[D] Damage: 272 (so use 6H WS instead if not so confident.)

623S S Vapor Thrust

  • Pre DI: Shock State anti-air reversal starter.
  • DI: Anti-air reversal starter (mild +).

DI S Vapor Thrust is not so damaging than the H version, but you always need to use it sometime to cover some different area. It pops up significantly lower than the H version so it need some height already built, that is, against an airborne opponent. You will have to decide which move you should use to catch the opponent falling, depending their height, distance, and how the hits connects. It is usually not a good idea to use this move mid combo, since this move deals significantly lower damage than other DI specials (60), and it lacks forward hitbox or momentum to reliably land both hits.

236H Stun Edge Charge Attack

  • Pre DI: Okizeme meaty starter, burst free combo filler, usually works with a RC.
  • DI: Pretty much the same, but with longer hit animation for heavier button to follow up(+).

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