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* Both versions of explode can be beaten with {{clr|1|6P}} or any other low-profile move, if timed properly.
 
* Both versions of explode can be beaten with {{clr|1|6P}} or any other low-profile move, if timed properly.
 
* Due to the fact that near the corner the swords are driven deeper into the wall - the hitbox of the explosion becomes less wide.
 
* Due to the fact that near the corner the swords are driven deeper into the wall - the hitbox of the explosion becomes less wide.
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* It's possible to loop your combo in the corner until a wall break with: (>) Explosion > Dash > (on explosion) {{clr|2|5K}}/{{clr|3|c.S}} > {{clr|4|6H}} > {{clr|4|236H}} > Repeat
 
Ram's primary corner combo filler. Launched swords explode when they make contact in the corner, which lets Ramlethal do some RPS between running up with a button/throw or whiff punishing your opponent pressing something. Running up is extra beneficial in that you can pick up the swords and start pressuring all over again.
 
Ram's primary corner combo filler. Launched swords explode when they make contact in the corner, which lets Ramlethal do some RPS between running up with a button/throw or whiff punishing your opponent pressing something. Running up is extra beneficial in that you can pick up the swords and start pressuring all over again.
  

Revision as of 02:47, 3 August 2021


Overview
Overview

Ramlethal is a mid-ranged brigadier who controls neutral with her massive swords. She can also expend her swords in order to shoot them as projectiles to dominate the corner.

Key to Ramlethal’s mid-ranged domination is her f.S and 5H. They are disjointed, quite fast and have massive range. Her air control is also great - j.S is basically an aerial version of f.S, and j.H has a huge vertical hitbox, making it an excellent jump-in attack.

Ramlethal can apply suffocating corner pressure with Bajoneto - a projectile attack that fires a sword. The sword explodes if it hits a wall, which can extend blockstrings or lead to powerful wallbreak combos. However, when fired, the swords take time to return. Without swords, her GGST S Prompt.png and GGST H Prompt.png buttons are significantly weakened. The swords can be retrieved quickly by walking over the spot they landed. At the corner, she can shoot her swords to great extent, as she can pick them up while pressuring the opponent or even during a combo.

Generally, it’s best to only shoot swords off of confirms or for corner pressure in order to not risk losing them. There are exceptions though, for example, the Calvados overdrive retrieves both swords. With 50% Tension, you have the option of playing fast and loose with sword projectiles, just to take them back again. Before expending swords, weigh your options carefully.

Ramlethal is blessed with amazing buttons, outstanding corner pressure and an adorable puppy on her win screen! What else could you ask for?


Lore:She is a "Valentine," a life form created in the image of humanity.

In accordance with the orders from her mother implanted in her memories, she declared war against humanity.

However, through her interactions with Sol and everyone, she came to know emotion, and eventually became an ally to mankind.
Playstyle
GGST Ramlethal Valentine Icon.png Ramlethal Valentine , classified as a Shooting type, is a Brigadier who controls the mid-range with her two swords.
Pros Cons
  • Insane Midrange: f.S and 5H are some of the longest buttons in the game, and are complemented by Bajoneto being a disjointed and highly plus on block fireball.
  • Suffocating Corner Pressure: being in the corner allows for Ramlethal to mitigate the downtime of her sword normals after Bajoneto. Launched swords also have a secondary explosion when they reach the corner, letting Ramlethal easily re-assert her turn.
  • Hard to Burst: Ramlethal's large normals mean it's likely bursts will whiff against her. The explosions from Bajoneto will also catch stray bursts, and the height she sticks the opponent at on the wall usually means finding a safe burst point is incredibly difficult.
  • Extreme wall damage: Bajoneto allows Ramlethal to get off extremely high damage combos from almost any hit whenever she is near the wall.
  • Double-Edged Swords: Using Bajoneto will lock Ramlethal out of one (or both) of her best poking tools, and she must wait for the corresponding to return until she can use them again.
  • Rare Midscreen Knockdowns: Ramlethal cannot reliably secure knockdowns from midscreen hits without meter due to her small sweep. Most of the time, getting hit by f.S means you'll only get hit by a 5H when her back is close to the wall.
Brigadier Swords
Ramlethal is built around her two familiars and the large swords they carry for her. Her S button and H button moves are mapped to one of her two swords, and using Bajoneto will launch them. Launched swords change the properties of her moves that use either one or both of her swords. The swords will return to Ramlethal after a delay, but can also be picked up by walking or dashing over them.


Normal Moves

5P

5K

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
30 All 7 3 11 -2 -

  • Good midrange poke for when the opponent is too close for f.S or 5H.
  • Combos into 2D, but not at max range.

This is Ramlethal's main close-up neutral tool and punish for options like Potemkin's Hammer Fall. c.S is too short, f.S is too slow, and 2D has both issues. Cancel into Dauro for a basic confirm and to maintain advantage on hit, but take care to make sure you don't do it on block. This move has a lot more combo applications in juggles than on grounded connect.

Gatling Options: 6P, 6H, 5D, 2D

c.S

f.S

5H

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
42 [33] All 12 3 28 -12 [-13] -

  • If H sword equipped then can be used as frametrap before 214P, 236S and 236H without delay.
  • Data in [] refers to when H sword is unequipped.
  • Not as good as its cousin, but another excellent normal.

Slightly more reach than f.S, very rare that f.S will hit and 5H will whiff. f.S > 5H on block will push your opponent about a half-screen distance away, so only confirm into 236H sword throw if you're near enough to the corner to get a combo off it.

5D

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
45 [56] High 20 [28] 2 [2] 27 [27] -15 [-10] -

  • Hold D to charge.
  • Deals more damage and launches opponent on hit when fully charged.
  • Homing jump cancelable on hit against grounded opponents when fully charged.
  • Homing jump cancel forces an Area Shift.

Standard dust attack. Can be charged for more damage and a full combo on hit. RC's allow this attack to continue into further pressure or convert into a combo without charging it. Both charged and uncharged dust sees use in some corner combos.

6P

6H

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
50 [40] All 18 [18] 2 [2] 33 [33] -16 [-18] -

  • Can be used as frametrap after c.S without delay.
  • If H sword equipped then can be used as frametrap before 214P, 236S and 236H without delay.
  • Data in [] refers to when H sword is unequipped.
  • Launches away on hit, wallbounces in the corner.

Mostly relegated to combo filler and frame trapping. Will combo from 5K on an airborne opponent, but will drop if they're grounded. Excellent for getting an opponent into the corner or setting up for a wallbreak from midscreen.

2P

2K

2S

2H

2D

j.P

j.K

j.S

j.H

j.D

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
16x3 High 10 - - - -

  • Useful for comboing into grounded moves.

Despite what the animation and effect might imply, this does not hit behind Ram so it is unfortunately not a cross-up tool. Instead, it just covers the space in front of and slightly above Ram. If you can land this on an aerial opponent when they are very close and slightly above you while you are descending you can follow up with some of Ram's faster grounded options after landing, such as 5K.

Universal Mechanics

Ground Throw

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
80 Throw 2 3 38 - -

  • Gives a manually timed safejump midscreen and setups in the corner with swords/meter.

A pretty good throw, all things considered. A short dash into a forward jump j.H will safejump reversals and catch buttons if timed correctly. In the corner, you can OTG c.S and IAD j.H for a better, autotimed safejump. Ramlethal's throw also gives you the option to OTG anywhere with 214H and 632146H (along with 236236S in the corner) for more damage and to potentially seal a round. Be careful as OTG 214H is unsafe on hit. Weirdly enough, OTG 236236S will not break the wall.

Air Throw

Special Moves

Dauro

623P

Erarlumo

214P -> 214P -> 214P (Delay OK)

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
214P 30 All 20 7 21 -9 -
214P 214P 35 [50] All 12 4 41 -13 [-2] -
214P 214P 214P 40 [70] All 22 6 32 -19 -

214P
  • Dash cancelable on hit with -10 frame advantage and this dash will force Counter state.
    • 2K > 2D > 214P dash cancel leads to the same frame advantage as 623P.
  • Can be guaranteed punished by DP with fast startup.

ArcSys took away Ramlethal's Tekken strings and gave her this instead. Pretty useful for combos, but too unsafe to be reliably used in pressure.


214P214P
  • Launches higher and deals more damage if delayed from 214P.
  • Data in [] refers to the delayed version.
  • Staggers on hit and long enough on counter hit to link after.
  • Frametraps can be evaded with properly timed backdash or be guaranteed punished with fast DP.

Can be used as a frametrap after the first version, but its frame advantage makes it a much higher risk than is generally worth taking.


214P214P214P
  • Launches higher and deals more damage if delayed from 214P.
  • Data in [] refers to the delayed version.
  • Hard knockdown on hit, allowing for decent oki in the corner if it doesn't break the wall.
  • Ground bounces on counter hit, allowing for a follow-up juggle.

Last rekka in the sequence and also the most minus. High recovery but ground bounces into a hard knockdown in return.

Sildo Detruo

214K (Air OK)

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
214K 40 High 30 2 18 -3 -
j.214K 40 High 30 Until L - -7~-4 -

  • Can sideswitch at close range, but it will leave Ramlethal too far to hit.
  • Too slow to combo out of grounded hits.
  • Knocks down on hit.
  • Air version of 214K have different collision box from ground version of 214K.

Generally too slow to accomplish anything. Your opponent will usually be able to punish this with a throw or 6P. Can be RC on block into RRC > 2D or 88.RRC~j.P or j.K. Extremely situational pressure tool after a far range 5H.

Bajoneto

236S/H

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
236S 30,35 All 20 - Total 37 +9 -
236H 30,35 All 20 - Total 43 +3 -

  • Using Bajoneto means the corresponding sword will be launched.
  • Launched swords will have a delay before they can be used again.
  • Launched swords can also be picked up to shorten their downtime.
  • Attempting to launch a sword that has already been launched will result in a whiff animation.
  • S sword is the top one, H sword is the bottom.
  • Both versions of explode can be beaten with 6P or any other low-profile move, if timed properly.
  • Due to the fact that near the corner the swords are driven deeper into the wall - the hitbox of the explosion becomes less wide.
  • It's possible to loop your combo in the corner until a wall break with: (>) Explosion > Dash > (on explosion) 5K/c.S > 6H > 236H > Repeat

Ram's primary corner combo filler. Launched swords explode when they make contact in the corner, which lets Ramlethal do some RPS between running up with a button/throw or whiff punishing your opponent pressing something. Running up is extra beneficial in that you can pick up the swords and start pressuring all over again.

As amazing as this move is, there are two general rules to abide by when using it:

  1. Never use it when you cannot see the corner.
  2. Never shoot both swords at once if your opponent has any chance to escape.

There are some exceptions to these rules like going for the kill or using meter, but losing Ram's biggest poking mormals is a huge price to pay. The worst position Ram can be in is having neither sword.

Agresa Ordono

j.214S

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
30,30 [24,30] [30,24] {24,24} All 12 4(10)4 24 - -

  • Damage assumes both swords are equipped.
  • [] refers to one sword and {} is empty handed.
  • Does not launch on grounded hit.
  • If S sword is not equipped, the first hit will be weakened with reduced range and the second hit will have a gap.
  • If H sword is not equipped, the second hit will be weakened and have reduced range.
  • If neither sword is equipped, then both hits will be the weaker version.

Good aerial poke due to its range and providing knockdown on aerial opponents. Also useful for following up faster, less committal air-to-air normals to secure knockdown. Doesn't have much utility against grounded opponents due to how low you need to be to get both hits, how missing the second hit even after landing the first one will lead to some easily punishable landing recovery, and how landing both hits doesn't lead to anything on grounded opponents anyways. It can at least be used after landing an air normal to tack on a little extra damage against a grounded opponent provided you are low enough to the ground, but not too low or the second hit won't come out.

Sabrobato

214H

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
100 [75] {50} All (Guard Crush) 19 4 42 -27 [-27] {-32} -

  • Damage assumes both swords are equipped.
  • [] refers to one sword and {} is empty handed.
  • Cannot be cancelled into.
  • The absence of the 1st sword doesn't change the hitbox, but the absence of both will make it narrower and shorter.

This is your prime wallbreak move outside supers due to its high damage. Reaches about 3/4 of the screen with both swords equipped. While it can catch opponents off guard, it is extremely punishable on block and whiff even at maximum range. Should seldom, if ever, be used in neutral especially if you don't have enough tension to RC the move's long recovery.

Overdrives

Calvados

632146H

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
4*29,40 All 11+13 - - -70 -

  • Returns swords to Ramlethal, no matter their position.
  • Deals heavy chip damage if not FD'd.
  • RC-able for a nearly invisible (but expensive) mixup.

Guaranteed to deal 30 damage at low health, making this super a great way to deal with characters with high guts. Be careful if you try to snipe someone fullscreen as projectiles can trade and knock you out of the super. Any competent opponent will either FD the super and take no chip or jump over it and punish you.

Mortobato

236236S

Damage GuardHow this attack can be blocked. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupThe number of frames between inputting an attack and when the attack becomes active. Includes first active frame. ActiveThe number of frames for which a move has hitboxes. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryThe number of frames after a move's active frames during which the character cannot act assuming the move is not canceled. On-BlockThe difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Invuln
160 [130] {100} All 7+2 - - -30 [-30] {-35} -

  • Damage assumes both swords are equipped.
  • [] refers to one sword and {} is empty handed.
  • Invincible from frame 1.
  • Without H sword the upper part of the hitbox is removed. Without S sword the absence of H sword is ignored and only the front part of the hitbox is removed.

Ramlethal's only reversal, but quite a good one at that. Launches the opponent about half screen and will break the wall if the opponent hits it while rising. This is also Ramlethal's primary walkbreak super if the opponent is above 50% health, as Calvados is much better for burning through guts.


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