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Noel Vermillion

Overview

Team Synergy

Noel is primarily a point focused character with a niche set of assists. It is important to note that creating a team with Noel will likely compromise the other character.

Point

When Noel is on point, there are two main points to consider when picking her partner. The first point is how well the assists help Noel with her neutral. Characters with projectile assists will always help Noel with her neutral since she lacks a traditional projectile. Not all projectile assists are equal however. A fast projectile assist will be better for Noel’s neutral compared to a delayed projectile assist since Noel will have a hard time covering the delayed assist. Anyone with an anti-air assist will also help Noel deal with approaches from the air. The more space the assist covers above Noel’s head, the easier it is for Noel to deal with opponents who like to stay in the air.

The second point to consider for Noel on point is how well the assists enable Noel’s offense. As long as the character has a long blockstun assist and has a way to deal with being pushblocked, Noel can take advantage of it. Another point to consider is the recovery of these assists. The longer the recovery on the assist, then the easier it is for the opponent to create a gap in Noel’s offense with pushblock.

Assist

5P

An extremely high damaging assist. Looping Noel 5P four times in a combo will almost always lead to 10k meterless damage. Noel 5P on hit also has a long duration, allowing for the partner to reposition and do any character-specific setup.

6P

Long startup, but also has long blockstun and can pull the opponent out of the corner. Pushblocking Noel 6P will push both Noel and the gun away.

4P

Fairly fast assist, but it only covers the ground.

Anchor

Noel SHOULD NOT be used as an anchor. She has very little use for Resonance Blaze and is incapable of getting good damage off of stray hits outside of the corner.

Recommended Partners

Yu - Provides a long blockstun assist and a projectile assist. Strong pressure for Noel. A jack-of-all-trades compared to the other recommended partners, but rewards strong fundamentals and set play.
Adachi - Provides an anti-air assist and a long blockstun assist. A/B Maziodyne.
Vatista - Provides an anti-air assist, a long blockstun assist, and a projectile assist. Very strong neutral for Noel.
Yumi - Provides an anti-air assist, a long blockstun assist and a projectile assist. Extremely high damaging team and strong pressure.
Akatsuki - Provides an anti-air assist, a long blockstun assist, and a projectile assist. Added benefit of hard-to-block/unblockables with Akatsuki 214B.

Team Synergy List

General Tactics

Noel is primarily a close-range character with multiple moves that can close the distance between her and the opponent. While Noel's neutral is lackluster, her offense can be relentless and not give the opponent time to think.

Neutral

Noel’s mobility should be used to weave in and out of the opponent’s effective range, whether the mobility comes from her fast movement speed or from her attacks. While not as far reaching as other moves in the game, 5A is a good normal to use as a poke due to its hitbox and relatively fast recovery. 2C is also a very strong long ranged poke due to the distance traveled, but be careful with whiffing 2C as there is a noticeable amount of recovery if it is not cancelled into another move. 2B is useful if the opponent is in the air around normal jump height to catch them not blocking. d.5B is a strong, yet risky, move to rush in towards the opponent.

Her approach to neutral can widely change when taking assists into account. Noel will appreciate any type of projectile assist to help her approach, but be wary of any assists with a longer startup as Noel will have a hard time keeping the assist safe. If the partner does not have a projectile assist, then a fast, forward moving assist can take the place of a projectile, but carries a higher risk of the assist getting hit. Any assist that can take control of the space above Noel will be a boon as Noel has a difficult time dealing with opponents approaching above her.

Pressure

Noel has very weak solo pressure due to pushblock and not being able to safely keep up her pressure. Noel can attempt to air dash back in from a jump cancellable move or use d.5B/d.2B if available, but each of these options has a large enough gap for the opponent to react and punish Noel. Noel can also stagger her A normals to attempt to bait a pushblock from the opponent, but is still a weaker option overall.

Noel will heavily rely on her partner to keep up her offense. The idea is that if one character gets pushblocked, then the other character will still force the opponent to block. Ideally, the partner will force the opponent to block long enough to run back in and continue pressuring the opponent or attempt a mix-up. This pressure can be extended through the use of Cross Combo as well.

Mix-ups

Noel’s solo and same side mix-ups are very basic. Her only overheads outside of drive are 5C, j.A, and j.AA, so there is very little threat for the opponent to block standing if Noel is on the ground. Noel can also go for tick throws from 4A, 5A, 5AA, and 2A. When in the air, Noel’s solo options open up a little. She can do an empty jump low, delayed air dash j.A, left-right mix-up with j.B, or cancel into one of her drive moves. When in drive, Noel can go for a high-low mix-up with d.5C and d.2C, frame trap the opponent with the natural gaps in her drive moves or delaying the drive moves, or bait pushblock by ending drive early.

When in a sandwich situation, Noel can be more creative with the mix-ups. For an immediate mix-up, Noel can use Active Switch with j.C or 236C and give the new point character time to confirm the hit. Noel can also use the natural gaps in her drive strings to create left-right mix-ups on top of any other options from drive.

To keep the mix-up safe, Noel has some options available with buffered Active Switch. Noel can use the natural gap between 5AA and 5AAA or use 4A/5A/5AA to 5B/2B/2C for a left-right mix-up while still keeping the partner safe from most reversals. To perform a buffered Active Switch, a move along with D needs to be inputted during the hitstun/blockstun of a normal. The trade off with this method is that the opponent has more time to react and properly block.

j.A/j.AA can be used to fuzzy overhead certain characters. To perform the fuzzy overhead, the opponent needs to be in blockstun while doing a standing block. This can be achieved with j.AA or a long blockstun assist (Multiple hit assists will generally not work due to each hit having low blockstun). After the standing block, do a rising j.A/j.AA for the fuzzy overhead.

Solo (TODO YT video)

Assist (TODO YT video)

If the opponent is in the corner and does a back tech, Noel can use 5B to steal the corner. This is not a safe mix-up, but can be done if the opponent has been conditioned to block on their ground tech.

5B Corner Steal

Okizeme

In general, okizeme consists of either a meaty attack, whether done by the point character or assist, or a safe jump setup.

Meaty Attack

It is easiest to set up a meaty attack with Noel after ending a combo with Bloom Trigger, 214B, or 236B. These enders will usually make the opponent perform a ground tech. After performing one of the enders, time an assist call so it will connect with the opponent as they recover. If done properly, then it is possible to visually confirm that the opponent is blocking and run a mix-up or continue pressure. The benefits of using an assist to meaty the opponent over using Noel is that it is DP safe and the opponent is forced to deal with any mix-up you choose.

Noel can also use 4B as a safer meaty attack. A properly timed 4B can bait DPs while still hitting the opponent on their recovery. It beats nearly all DPs and d.5B/d.2C can be done on reaction to a Distortion Skill to attempt to evade it.

Safe Jump

For all safe jump setups, an assist can be called along with the normal to make it easier to hit confirm or have greater frame advantage on block. Also, the higher the opponent is before the knockdown, the frame advantage will usually be higher.

NOTE: It is generally NOT advised to do a safe jump setup against characters with “guard point” reversals, counters, and/or command grab distortion skills.

Important benchmarks to test safe jump setups
Character(s)	Move	Reason
Ruby	A+D	13f startup.
Ragna/Yu/Hyde/etc.	A+D	10f startup. Most common "standard" Reversal Action startup.
Hyde	214B+C	9f startup. Makoto's Reversal Action is also 9f, but Hyde 214B+C is easier to use for accurate testing.
Azrael	214B+C	8f startup.
Mitsuru	236B+C	7f startup.
Mai	236B+C	6f startup.
Yosuke	214B+C	5f startup.
Ragna	4A	5f normal that can catch poorly executed safe jumps

Safe Jumps
Setup	Position	Video	Notes
d.5C > 236B > 7/8/9	Corner	Video	Beats all invincible reversals besides command grab supers.
d.5C > 236B > 6395A+B	Corner	Video	Loses to 8f and faster reversals. Requires the “Simple Aerial Dash” macro.
2C > 214B	Anywhere	Video	Loses to 6f and faster reversals.
d.2C > 214B	Anywhere	Video	Loses to 5f reversals.
214[B]	Anywhere	Video	Beats all invincible reversals besides command grab supers. Final hit must be done before the combo timer turns yellow or else the opponent will air tech. Testing required for “Guard Point” reversals.
j.B > 6395A+B	Anywhere	Video	Loses to 8f and faster reversals. Requires the “Simple Aerial Dash” macro.
j.C > 6395A+B	Anywhere	Video (TODO)	Loses to (?)f and faster reversals. Requires the "Simple Aerial Dash" macro.
d.5C > 6395A+B	Anywhere	Video (TODO)	Loses to (?)f and faster reversals. Requires the "Simple Aerial Dash" macro.
d.xxxxA/B/C	Near corner	Video	Frame advantage is based on the distance to the corner. Loses to 9f or faster reversals when the opponent is in the corner. Beats all invincible reversals if the opponent is 1/4th of the stage away from the corner when Bloom Trigger is used.
236C > 7/8/9	Near corner	Video	Beats all invincible reversals besides command grab supers.
236C > 6395A+B	Corner	Video	Loses to 8f and faster reversals. Requires the “Simple Aerial Dash” macro.
236B+C	Corner	Video	Loses to 8f and faster reversals.
j.236B+C	Corner	Video	Can beat all invincible reversals depending on when Noel jumps.
4AAAA > 4BCA > 8j.A	Corner	Video (TODO)	Loses to 7f (?) and faster reversals. Catches all tech directions and keeps the corner. 5AAA > 4BCA can work on most characters, but there are a few characters where d.5C will whiff.

6395A+B Explanation

The 6395A+B input will do the following:

1. 6 - Micro-dash

2. 39 - High jump forward

3. 5 - Return the position to neutral, needed for the A+B macro to follow the tech direction

4. A+B - "Simple Aerial Dash" macro

Blockstrings

Outside of drive, Noel does not present much threat in her blockstrings. An important thing to know is that there is a frame trap between 5AA and 5AAA. This can catch opponents who are trying to mash out of pressure, though it is also possible for the opponent to use a Reversal Action or Distortion Skill in the gap. Also be wary of the distance between Noel and the opponent as 4A may whiff on opponents at a distance.

Blockstring Examples
Notation	Notes
5A > 4A > 2A > 5AAA > 2C > 214B	Gap between 5AA and 5AAA and between 5AAA and 2C
2A > 5A > 4A > 2A > 5AA > 2B > d.5AA	Gap between 5AA and 2B
4/5/2B > d.5AA	Ending with d.5AA is safe from everything besides command grab supers

Noel 236B is +0 on block. While she is not plus and the opponent can catch the startup with a fast enough button, it can still be used to reset pressure once in a while.

236B Pressure Reset Examples
Notation	Notes
5A > 4AA > 236B > 2A > ...	2A is Noel's fastest normal at 7f.
5A > 2A > 5A > 4B > 236B > 5A > ...	4B is used to create distance between Noel and the opponent. 5A is then used to challenge opponents with slower, long-ranged buttons.
5A > 2A > 5A > 236B > 4/2B > ...	4/2B is done to call out the opponent mashing

Tips and Tricks

Drive Cancel

Noel normally only has access to her drive moves after using one of the following drive starters: 4B, 5B, 2B, and j.B. But if Noel is in the air, she can land cancel j.B to bypass the drive starter and go straight into her drive normals.

To perform her drive cancels, the move must be plinked (pressed in rapid succession) from j.B before Noel lands. If done correctly, there will be no animation for j.B and the intended move will come out instead. This can also be done after using an air normal, mainly j.A.

To practice her drive cancel:

Neutral jump and press j.B just before Noel lands. If done correctly, then Noel will do d.5B.
Neutral jump and plink j.B > d.5A/d.5C just before Noel lands. If done correctly, then Noel will do d.5A/d.5C.
Repeat steps 1 and 2, but replace the neutral jump with an instant air dash instead. The purpose is to show the difference in timing between a jump and an IAD.
Repeat steps 1-4 and add in j.A on hit/block before doing the drive cancel. This is done to show the timing from buffering the drive cancel from an air normal and in preparation for Noel’s mix-ups and safe jumps.

Punishing DP-spam in drive:

If an opponent keeps mashing DP to beat you in Drive, you can check the DP-punish chart for your opponent's character and options how to beat it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HHfjKC8Ex9LkDdbp5UlDl6pH15wlL0U8NFYHpWkI-9I/edit

Unblockable/Resets Drive enders:

https://twitter.com/lornlynx/status/1106277579957374976

https://twitter.com/lornlynx/status/1221552210049490945

Fighting Noel

In general, approaching from the air is a good tactic against Noel. She does not have any drive normals that have head invulnerability and her anti-air is very lackluster. Be careful when approaching Noel with air dashes as that is one of the few angles that her anti-air can cover.

When approaching Noel on the ground, take extra caution when throwing out attacks as 4B, d.5B, and 2B in some cases can cause the attack to whiff and be punished. The best option is to use a long, disjointed low attack if possible since 4B and d.5B will lose to this option. The danger to this option is that Noel can use 2B to dodge the attack and punish instead.

Caution should be taken when trying to zone Noel with projectiles. 4B, d.5B, and 214C are projectile invulnerable and can be used to quickly close the distance. If Noel is near fullscreen, then zoning Noel should be safe. Once she is able to close the distance, zoning becomes really unsafe depending on how fast the character can recover from whiffing a move.

If Noel is blindly using her drive normals to force an approach, then the easiest way to deal with it is to jump and land with an attack directly above her. Noel herself will not be able to stop this attack as she does not have an attack that hits directly above her. Her Reversal Action will have a high chance of missing as well because the hitbox is in front of Noel and she also slightly moves forward when using it.

When blocking Noel’s drive pressure, it is important to know that there are gaps in most of her options outside of a few instances. It is possible to exploit this gap with a reversal, but be careful as Noel can dodge through some reversal options with specific strings. The safer option would be to pushblock Noel away in reaction to blocking a drive normal and jump. Noel will be able to close the gap from a pushblock with d.5B, but she will not be able to reach characters who jump when she is already using drive.

The following list are common moves that Noel will use with the appropriate counters.

2B: Will lose to a move with head invulnerability
4B: Will lose to foot or head attribute moves and throws
d.5B: Will lose to foot or head attribute moves and throws
j.B: If blocked with no assist to cover, then punish with either a foot attribute move or throw

Check the following document for a more in-depth explanation of her weaknesses and how to exploit them: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rLlu9MqITupGqj9eL1X_QAhgybKyfKZ_Jhcny8uZy_w/edit

External Documents and References

BBTAG v2.x Noel Primer

BBTAG v2.x Noel Match-up Specific Chart

BBTAG v2.x Drive Gap Frame Data by Pokedude (TESTING STILL IN PROCESS)

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 ==Team Synergy==
+Noel is primarily a point focused character with a niche set of assists. It is important to note that creating a team with Noel will likely compromise the other character.
 ===Point===
-Noel is primarily a point character since her anchor options are poor and she requires an assist for most of her combos.
+When Noel is on point, there are two main points to consider when picking her partner. The first point is how well the assists help Noel with her neutral. Characters with projectile assists will always help Noel with her neutral since she lacks a traditional projectile. Not all projectile assists are equal however. A fast projectile assist will be better for Noel’s neutral compared to a delayed projectile assist since Noel will have a hard time covering the delayed assist. Anyone with an anti-air assist will also help Noel deal with approaches from the air. The more space the assist covers above Noel’s head, the easier it is for Noel to deal with opponents who like to stay in the air.
-What Noel wants in a partner is primarily space-control, and secondary pressure. Other beneficials that a partner can give Noel are zoning to help her recover health while not active, and a way to combo into Drive from Bloom Trigger or your her full A-autocombo.
+The second point to consider for Noel on point is how well the assists enable Noel’s offense. As long as the character has a long blockstun assist and has a way to deal with being pushblocked, Noel can take advantage of it. Another point to consider is the recovery of these assists. The longer the recovery on the assist, then the easier it is for the opponent to create a gap in Noel’s offense with pushblock.
-What Noel's partner gain from Noel is primarily her 6P: This can help to lock-down your opponent and give characters stronger mixup-options. Her other assists are not worthwhile talking about...
+===Assist===
+'''5P'''
+An extremely high damaging assist. Looping Noel 5P four times in a combo will almost always lead to 10k meterless damage. Noel 5P on hit also has a long duration, allowing for the partner to reposition and do any character-specific setup.
+'''6P'''
+Long startup, but also has long blockstun and can pull the opponent out of the corner. Pushblocking Noel 6P will push both Noel and the gun away.
+'''4P'''
+Fairly fast assist, but it only covers the ground.
 ===Anchor===
-Noel SHOULD NOT be used as an anchor. She has very little use for resonance blaze and is incapable of getting good damage off her hits without an assist.
+Noel SHOULD NOT be used as an anchor. She has very little use for Resonance Blaze and is incapable of getting good damage off of stray hits outside of the corner.
 ===Recommended Partners===
+* Yu - Provides a long blockstun assist and a projectile assist. Strong pressure for Noel. A jack-of-all-trades compared to the other recommended partners, but rewards strong fundamentals and set play.
+* Adachi - Provides an anti-air assist and a long blockstun assist. A/B Maziodyne.
+* Vatista - Provides an anti-air assist, a long blockstun assist, and a projectile assist. Very strong neutral for Noel.
+* Yumi - Provides an anti-air assist, a long blockstun assist and a projectile assist. Extremely high damaging team and strong pressure.
+* Akatsuki - Provides an anti-air assist, a long blockstun assist, and a projectile assist. Added benefit of hard-to-block/unblockables with Akatsuki 214B.
+[[File:Noel Partner-chart.png|thumb|right|Team Synergy List]]
-* 6P:
+==General Tactics==
-Any partner with a good 6P projectile automatically makes them a good partner for Noel. Projectile assists can be used in neutral to help Noel to control the ground-space and keep the opponent in place to be able to run up and apply her close-up pressure. Good characters for that are e.g.: Vatista, Es, Nu, Hyde, Ruby, Jin. Bonus points of projectiles are that they often allow her to combo Bloom Trigger and A-autocombo directly into drive for better damage.
+Noel is primarily a close-range character with multiple moves that can close the distance between her and the opponent. While Noel's neutral is lackluster, her offense can be relentless and not give the opponent time to think.
-* 5P:
+===Neutral===
+Noel’s mobility should be used to weave in and out of the opponent’s effective range, whether the mobility comes from her fast movement speed or from her attacks. While not as far reaching as other moves in the game, 5A is a good normal to use as a poke due to its hitbox and relatively fast recovery. 2C is also a very strong long ranged poke due to the distance traveled, but be careful with whiffing 2C as there is a noticeable amount of recovery if it is not cancelled into another move. 2B is useful if the opponent is in the air around normal jump height to catch them not blocking. d.5B is a strong, yet risky, move to rush in towards the opponent.
-Partners with good 5P assists that keep your enemy locked down as long as possible are also requested. This helps you to keep them in block to apply your pressure, and it can also make the gaps in your blockstrings safe. The best assists here allow Noel to even go into her drive mixup safely, as example 5A+5P > 2B.2C. Good characters for that are e.g.: Vatista, Hyde, Blake, Ruby. Bonus points of projectiles are that they often allow her to combo her A-autocombo directly into drive for better damage.
+Her approach to neutral can widely change when taking assists into account. Noel will appreciate any type of projectile assist to help her approach, but be wary of any assists with a longer startup as Noel will have a hard time keeping the assist safe. If the partner does not have a projectile assist, then a fast, forward moving assist can take the place of a projectile, but carries a higher risk of the assist getting hit. Any assist that can take control of the space above Noel will be a boon as Noel has a difficult time dealing with opponents approaching above her.
-* 4P:
+===Pressure===
+Noel has very weak solo pressure due to pushblock and not being able to safely keep up her pressure. Noel can attempt to air dash back in from a jump cancellable move or use d.5B/d.2B if available, but each of these options has a large enough gap for the opponent to react and punish Noel. Noel can also stagger her A normals to attempt to bait a pushblock from the opponent, but is still a weaker option overall.
-For a 4P, Noel definitely wants a good anti-air assist in that matter. Noel's anti-air options are extremely subpar and she can struggle a lot against opponents who stay in the air, making some matchups almost unwinnable without a good partner for those cases. The more space the 4P controls, the better. Good characters for that are e.g.: Vatista, Naoto Kuragane, Hyde, Ruby, Ragna.
+Noel will heavily rely on her partner to keep up her offense. The idea is that if one character gets pushblocked, then the other character will still force the opponent to block. Ideally, the partner will force the opponent to block long enough to run back in and continue pressuring the opponent or attempt a mix-up. This pressure can be extended through the use of Cross Combo as well.
-* Team-synergy List: [[File:Noel Partner-chart.png|thumb|right|Team-synergy List]]
+===Mix-ups===
+Noel’s solo and same side mix-ups are very basic. Her only overheads outside of drive are 5C, j.A, and j.AA, so there is very little threat for the opponent to block standing if Noel is on the ground. Noel can also go for tick throws from 4A, 5A, 5AA, and 2A. When in the air, Noel’s solo options open up a little. She can do an empty jump low, delayed air dash j.A, left-right mix-up with j.B, or cancel into one of her drive moves. When in drive, Noel can go for a high-low mix-up with d.5C and d.2C, frame trap the opponent with the natural gaps in her drive moves or delaying the drive moves, or bait pushblock by ending drive early.
-List takes Noel as point and anchor into consideration:
+When in a sandwich situation, Noel can be more creative with the mix-ups. For an immediate mix-up, Noel can use Active Switch with j.C or 236C and give the new point character time to confirm the hit. Noel can also use the natural gaps in her drive strings to create left-right mix-ups on top of any other options from drive.
-- Utility and damage are considered with a heavier emphasis on utility
+To keep the mix-up safe, Noel has some options available with buffered Active Switch. Noel can use the natural gap between 5AA and 5AAA or use 4A/5A/5AA to 5B/2B/2C for a left-right mix-up while still keeping the partner safe from most reversals. To perform a buffered Active Switch, a move along with D needs to be inputted during the hitstun/blockstun of a normal. The trade off with this method is that the opponent has more time to react and properly block.
-- Order within tier does NOT matter
+j.A/j.AA can be used to fuzzy overhead certain characters. To perform the fuzzy overhead, the opponent needs to be in blockstun while doing a standing block. This can be achieved with j.AA or a long blockstun assist (Multiple hit assists will generally not work due to each hit having low blockstun). After the standing block, do a rising j.A/j.AA for the fuzzy overhead.
-NOTE: Having Noel on the team will always weaken the other character as she cannot provide the best support! Be sure to take that into consideration when choosing a partner!
+[https://twitter.com/Yuuki_Hien/status/1215092589000626177?s=20 Solo (TODO YT video)]
-==General Tactics==
+[https://twitter.com/Yuuki_Hien/status/1194463022200377344?s=20 Assist (TODO YT video)]
-Noel in general wants to get in on her opponent, push them into the corner and then relentlessly bully them and making them afraid of pressing any buttons. She can't really play the neutral game because her buttons are all too stubby and slow, she also can't really zone as she her projectiles are very bad, and she also struggles playing defensively as her DP is mediocre at best and her invincibility moves are easily beaten.
+If the opponent is in the corner and does a back tech, Noel can use 5B to steal the corner. This is not a safe mix-up, but can be done if the opponent has been conditioned to block on their ground tech.
-Best way of playing Noel is extensive use of your assist for space-control, making good use of double- and super-jumps together with j.A. Using 4B.d5B in neutral can work out against certain matchups, but over-reliance on it can turn sour very quickly. 2B can be a decent button in midscreen or against jumpy-opponents, but it can also get stuffed often as it is still quite stubby and slow.
+[https://twitter.com/Yuuki_Hien/status/1227480554645467136?s=20 5B Corner Steal]
 ==Okizeme==
+In general, okizeme consists of either a meaty attack, whether done by the point character or assist, or a safe jump setup.
-Best way to enter your oki options is ending your combo from drive in d.5B5C > 236B, this keeps you as close to them as possible. If you can't enter your drive combo-routes, end them in 214B(1hit) to stay as close to them as possible.
+===Meaty Attack===
+It is easiest to set up a meaty attack with Noel after ending a combo with Bloom Trigger, 214B, or 236B. These enders will usually make the opponent perform a ground tech. After performing one of the enders, time an assist call so it will connect with the opponent as they recover. If done properly, then it is possible to visually confirm that the opponent is blocking and run a mix-up or continue pressure. The benefits of using an assist to meaty the opponent over using Noel is that it is DP safe and the opponent is forced to deal with any mix-up you choose.
-'''4B oki:'''
+Noel can also use 4B as a safer meaty attack. A properly timed 4B can bait DPs while still hitting the opponent on their recovery. It beats nearly all DPs and d.5B/d.2C can be done on reaction to a Distortion Skill to attempt to evade it.
-Is decent as an oki tool since it will automatically bait DPs while still meatying your opponent if they mash.  Then do 2A then 4B, it beats nearly all DPs, you can then add d.5B if you see them using distortion and it even works against throws as you hit them with the shot before they get to you. You can even react to them teching forward and not do the 4B.
+===Safe Jump===
+For all safe jump setups, an assist can be called along with the normal to make it easier to hit confirm or have greater frame advantage on block. Also, the higher the opponent is before the knockdown, the frame advantage will usually be higher.
-But it's still the poorer option than ending in a safejump, but a lot easier todo.
+NOTE: It is generally NOT advised to do a safe jump setup against characters with “guard point” reversals, counters, and/or command grab distortion skills.
-'''Safejump explanation:'''
+{| class="wikitable" <!--style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; border: none;"-->
+<!-- TODO: Collapsible table. [class="wikitable mw-collapsible"] makes the caption fit into one column -->
+|+ style="text-align:left" | Important benchmarks to test safe jump setups
+|-
+! scope="col" | Character(s)
+! scope="col" | Move
+! scope="col" | Reason
+|-
+| Ruby
+| A+D
+| 13f startup.
+|-
+| Ragna/Yu/Hyde/etc.
+| A+D
+| 10f startup. Most common "standard" Reversal Action startup.
+|-
+| Hyde
+| 214B+C
+| 9f startup. Makoto's Reversal Action is also 9f, but Hyde 214B+C is easier to use for accurate testing.
+|-
+| Azrael
+| 214B+C
+| 8f startup.
+|-
+| Mitsuru
+| 236B+C
+| 7f startup.
+|-
+| Mai
+| 236B+C
+| 6f startup.
+|-
+| Yosuke
+| 214B+C
+| 5f startup.
+|-
+| Ragna
+| 4A
+| 5f normal that can catch poorly executed safe jumps
+|}
-After 236B you run forward a bit and then do the highjump into airdash-button, which causes Noel to follow the tech (highjumps automatically make your character always face the opponent). In the air you also press j.A and 5P/6P to lock them down and force them to block the overhead. Noel has pretty good options there with just going for the drivecancel mixup. One of the important things is trying to figure out options when they pushblock, popping CC can make it a lot safer.
+{| class="wikitable" <!--style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; border: none;"-->
+<!-- TODO: Collapsible table. [class="wikitable mw-collapsible"] makes the caption fit into one column -->
+|+ style="text-align:left" | Safe Jumps
+|-
+! scope="col" style="width: 150px" | Setup
+! scope="col" | Position
+! scope="col" | Video
+! scope="col" | Notes
+|-
+| d.5C > 236B > 7/8/9
+| Corner
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUEdYaYXeak&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=1 Video]
+| Beats all invincible reversals besides command grab supers.
+|-
+| d.5C > 236B > 6395A+B
+| Corner
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_4wk4G6xnU&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=2 Video]
+| Loses to 8f and faster reversals. Requires the “Simple Aerial Dash” macro.
+|-
+| 2C > 214B
+| Anywhere
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGDVz2jQHLY&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=3 Video]
+| Loses to 6f and faster reversals.
+|-
+| d.2C > 214B
+| Anywhere
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM_MddYaaO4&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=4 Video]
+| Loses to 5f reversals.
+|-
+| 214[B]
+| Anywhere
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I15lOFhjxqQ&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=5 Video]
+| Beats all invincible reversals besides command grab supers. Final hit must be done before the combo timer turns yellow or else the opponent will air tech. Testing required for “Guard Point” reversals.
+|-
+| j.B > 6395A+B
+| Anywhere
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mz1jg_8Fvw&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=6 Video]
+| Loses to 8f and faster reversals. Requires the “Simple Aerial Dash” macro.
+|-
+| j.C > 6395A+B
+| Anywhere
+| Video (TODO)
+| Loses to (?)f and faster reversals. Requires the "Simple Aerial Dash" macro.
+|-
+| d.5C > 6395A+B
+| Anywhere
+| Video (TODO)
+| Loses to (?)f and faster reversals. Requires the "Simple Aerial Dash" macro.
+|-
+| d.xxxxA/B/C
+| Near corner
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD0L23dCDc4&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=7 Video]
+| Frame advantage is based on the distance to the corner. Loses to 9f or faster reversals when the opponent is in the corner. Beats all invincible reversals if the opponent is 1/4th of the stage away from the corner when Bloom Trigger is used.
+|-
+| 236C > 7/8/9
+| Near corner
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5CK6RcnejI&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=8 Video]
+| Beats all invincible reversals besides command grab supers.
+|-
+| 236C > 6395A+B
+| Corner
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwCmuy7NHac&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=9 Video]
+| Loses to 8f and faster reversals. Requires the “Simple Aerial Dash” macro.
+|-
+| 236B+C
+| Corner
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_h1jOnTcWY&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=10 Video]
+| Loses to 8f and faster reversals.
+|-
+| j.236B+C
+| Corner
+| [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mns7_VDjvzY&list=PLQBUVqKorYd-xXzlTftEGuhpokIT99bAD&index=11 Video]
+| Can beat all invincible reversals depending on when Noel jumps.
+|-
+| 4AAAA > 4BCA > 8j.A
+| Corner
+| Video (TODO)
+| Loses to 7f (?) and faster reversals. Catches all tech directions and keeps the corner. 5AAA > 4BCA can work on most characters, but there are a few characters where d.5C will whiff.
+|}
-Resetting pressure is dependant on your assist, the longer the blockstun, the better. If they block the j.A on the safe jump, you can still do d.5C, but it won't be gapless. You can also do j.AA > d.5C which is gapless, and a triple-overhead, but it is very height-dependant. To make sure you are doing it correctly, do the following test: Pick Yumi, set to forward tech, and set the wake-up to fast attack.
+''6395A+B Explanation''
-Example video: https://twitter.com/Yuuki_Hien/status/1197374028765368320
+The 6395A+B input will do the following:
-'''214B/214[B] safe jump:'''
+. 6 - Micro-dash
-Her old oki, but still useful if you can't convert into her drive combos. Need to IAD as soon as Noel recovers to get the safe jump. IAD will catch back and neutral tech, but loses to forward tech. Can be done anywhere on screen.
+. 39 - High jump forward
-* 214B - Loses to 8f or faster reversals
+. 5 - Return the position to neutral, needed for the A+B macro to follow the tech direction
-* 214[B] - Loses to 7f or faster reversals
-Example combo with safe jump follow up:
+. A+B - "Simple Aerial Dash" macro
-* 5AAA > 2C > 214B/214[B] > IAD/IADB > j.A + assist (hold back to block)
-(Note that 214[B] still gives a safe jump if the combo is short enough. If the combo is too long, then the opponent will tech in the air.)
+==Blockstrings==
+Outside of drive, Noel does not present much threat in her blockstrings. An important thing to know is that there is a frame trap between 5AA and 5AAA. This can catch opponents who are trying to mash out of pressure, though it is also possible for the opponent to use a Reversal Action or Distortion Skill in the gap. Also be wary of the distance between Noel and the opponent as 4A may whiff on opponents at a distance.
+{| class="wikitable"
+|+ style="text-align:left" | Blockstring Examples
+|-
+! scope="col" style="width: 250px" | Notation
+! scope="col" | Notes
+|-
+| 5A > 4A > 2A > 5AAA > 2C > 214B
+| Gap between 5AA and 5AAA and between 5AAA and 2C
+|-
+| 2A > 5A > 4A > 2A > 5AA > 2B > d.5AA
+| Gap between 5AA and 2B
+|-
+| 4/5/2B > d.5AA
+| Ending with d.5AA is safe from everything besides command grab supers
+|}
-'''Bloom Trigger safe jump:'''
-I personally underestimated this oki, but it's pretty nice when you are near the corner, but NOT at the corner. Doing the safe jump is the same as the 214B/214[B] safe jump, you need to jump/IAD as soon as Noel recovers. I never labbed it out, but the best part is that depending on the distance from the corner, it should cover all tech directions. Can POSSIBLY get a sandwich if they tech forward, but that's still dependent on distance from the corner AND just a theory.
+Noel 236B is +0 on block. While she is not plus and the opponent can catch the startup with a fast enough button, it can still be used to reset pressure once in a while.
-* Loses to 9f or faster reversals
+{| class="wikitable"
+|+ style="text-align:left" | 236B Pressure Reset Examples
+|-
+! scope="col" style="width: 220px" | Notation
+! scope="col" | Notes
+|-
+| 5A > 4AA > 236B > 2A > ...
+| 2A is Noel's fastest normal at 7f.
+|-
+| 5A > 2A > 5A > 4B > 236B > 5A > ...
+| 4B is used to create distance between Noel and the opponent. 5A is then used to challenge opponents with slower, long-ranged buttons.
+|-
+| 5A > 2A > 5A > 236B > 4/2B > ...
+| 4/2B is done to call out the opponent mashing
+|}
-Example combo with safe jump follow up:
+==Tips and Tricks==
-* (Drive starter) d.5AABC > 5AAA > 2BC > 4A > 5BAAAAA > 9 > j.A + assist (hold back to block) (If the 5AAA drops, then the opponent is too low and just use 4A instead)
-'''236B/EX Bloom Trigger safe jump:'''
+'''Drive Cancel'''
-Noel's strongest oki tool. 236B oki is the strongest in the corner. EX Bloom Trigger should only be done in the corner when going for her safe jump. When not in the corner, 236B + assist should catch all tech directions. The reward varies based on the tech direction. Forward tech should get a sandwich, catches neutral tech and back tech. Back tech is a little iffy with getting multiple hits of j.A in to give you more time to confirm the block.
+Noel normally only has access to her drive moves after using one of the following drive starters: 4B, 5B, 2B, and j.B. But if Noel is in the air, she can land cancel j.B to bypass the drive starter and go straight into her drive normals.
-When in the corner, Noel gets to have fun. There are two options Noel can go for.
+To perform her drive cancels, the move must be plinked (pressed in rapid succession) from j.B before Noel lands. If done correctly, there will be no animation for j.B and the intended move will come out instead. This can also be done after using an air normal, mainly j.A.
-# Tech chase: IAD macro REQUIRED. To do this safe jump, you need to super jump forward, return the input back to neutral, and then press A+B (or whatever button you assigned it to). Might need a microdash.
-# One of the strongest safe jumps in the game (I think) and/or a stupid high-low game: Just do a jump or IAD in the direction you want. Depending on when you time j.A, it will either whiff or one hit of j.A will connect. From here, you can do 2A for a quick high-low, do nothing to bait out a DP, throw, etc.
-# Beats all reversals except for counter supers, counter DPs, Kanji's DP, and command grab supers (But command grab supers beat safe jumps in general)
+To practice her drive cancel:
-# I never tested what beats the tech chase safe jump. Looks to be similar to the 214B safe jump if done properly
+* Neutral jump and press j.B just before Noel lands. If done correctly, then Noel will do d.5B.
+* Neutral jump and plink j.B > d.5A/d.5C just before Noel lands. If done correctly, then Noel will do d.5A/d.5C.
+* Repeat steps 1 and 2, but replace the neutral jump with an instant air dash instead. The purpose is to show the difference in timing between a jump and an IAD.
+* Repeat steps 1-4 and add in j.A on hit/block before doing the drive cancel. This is done to show the timing from buffering the drive cancel from an air normal and in preparation for Noel’s mix-ups and safe jumps.
-Example combo with safe jump follow up:
+'''Punishing DP-spam in drive:'''
-# (Drive starter) d.5AABC > 236B > 6395 > A+B > j.A + assist
-# (Drive starter) d.5AABC > 236B > 7/8/9/IAD/IADB > mix
-'''Safejump fuzzy:'''
+If an opponent keeps mashing DP to beat you in Drive, you can check the DP-punish chart for your opponent's character and options how to beat it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HHfjKC8Ex9LkDdbp5UlDl6pH15wlL0U8NFYHpWkI-9I/edit
-After your safejump, you can fuzzy if they blocked the overhead because they are stuck in assist-blockstun. Which though only works for half of the cast as your partner, as their assist needs to be single hit and have decent blockstun.
+'''Unblockable/Resets Drive enders:'''
-Example video: https://twitter.com/Yuuki_Hien/status/1215092589000626177?s=20
+https://twitter.com/lornlynx/status/1106277579957374976
-==Blockstrings==
+https://twitter.com/lornlynx/status/1221552210049490945
-Noel only uses her A-buttons for blockstrings, and is very limited in those. The most important detail is that between her 5AA and her 5AAA autocombo-attack, there is a natural gap where enemies can use DP or Distortion to beat you. (You can use the gap if you expect your enemy to mash his fastest normal attack, which you will beat with it)
+==Fighting Noel==
-To keep them gapless therefore you should not go above 5AA of your autocombo. Instead make use of your 4A and your 2A, which can be chained together making long, gapless blockstrings. Also don't use 4A as your block-string starter, as it can whiff on crouching and small enemies at certain ranges and has horrible recovery on-whiff.
+In general, approaching from the air is a good tactic against Noel. She does not have any drive normals that have head invulnerability and her anti-air is very lackluster. Be careful when approaching Noel with air dashes as that is one of the few angles that her anti-air can cover.
-Blockstring examples (gapless):
+When approaching Noel on the ground, take extra caution when throwing out attacks as 4B, d.5B, and 2B in some cases can cause the attack to whiff and be punished. The best option is to use a long, disjointed low attack if possible since 4B and d.5B will lose to this option. The danger to this option is that Noel can use 2B to dodge the attack and punish instead.
-* 5A > 4AA > 214B
-* 5A > 2A > 4AA > 214B
-* 5A > 4A > 2A > 4AA > 214B (only really up-close)
-==Tips and Tricks==
+Caution should be taken when trying to zone Noel with projectiles. 4B, d.5B, and 214C are projectile invulnerable and can be used to quickly close the distance. If Noel is near fullscreen, then zoning Noel should be safe. Once she is able to close the distance, zoning becomes really unsafe depending on how fast the character can recover from whiffing a move.
-j.B landing whiff:
+If Noel is blindly using her drive normals to force an approach, then the easiest way to deal with it is to jump and land with an attack directly above her. Noel herself will not be able to stop this attack as she does not have an attack that hits directly above her. Her Reversal Action will have a high chance of missing as well because the hitbox is in front of Noel and she also slightly moves forward when using it.
-As in previous BB games you can make use of the landing recovery of j.B to use chain revolver normals that are normally not accessible.
+When blocking Noel’s drive pressure, it is important to know that there are gaps in most of her options outside of a few instances. It is possible to exploit this gap with a reversal, but be careful as Noel can dodge through some reversal options with specific strings. The safer option would be to pushblock Noel away in reaction to blocking a drive normal and jump. Noel will be able to close the gap from a pushblock with d.5B, but she will not be able to reach characters who jump when she is already using drive.
-j.B whiff > d.5B is useful vs zoners
+The following list are common moves that Noel will use with the appropriate counters.
-j.A > j.B whiff > d.5C/d.2C is a very tricky to block sequence
+* 2B: Will lose to a move with head invulnerability
+* 4B: Will lose to foot or head attribute moves and throws
+* d.5B: Will lose to foot or head attribute moves and throws
+* j.B: If blocked with no assist to cover, then punish with either a foot attribute move or throw
-==Fighting Noel==
+Check the following document for a more in-depth explanation of her weaknesses and how to exploit them: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rLlu9MqITupGqj9eL1X_QAhgybKyfKZ_Jhcny8uZy_w/edit
-Noel has a very hard time dealing with push block while she is in chain revolver. A single push block is enough to push her out of d.5C range which is her most threatening mixup tool. She also does not perform very well from mid-full screen distance.
+==External Documents and References==
+[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WrPENjd4vAUxgiAkI_Il6Y9aXYbL-3wPcZY54ROqiuM/edit?usp=sharing BBTAG v2.x Noel Primer]
-Check the following document for a more in-detail explanation of her weaknesses and how to exploit them: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rLlu9MqITupGqj9eL1X_QAhgybKyfKZ_Jhcny8uZy_w/edit
+[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w1G4-rL8nur_clqIbv3n0jyosurtTZTY5ZTRXqF2ynw/edit?usp=sharing BBTAG v2.x Noel Match-up Specific Chart]
-Hien's Noel primer also has a section dedicated to playing against her: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VQ1zBsjHmD-BFnQW9PdFxF3oa6akliqts1GIvdUJuwk/edit#heading=h.7asyvjhnh21t
+[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_602MBBwNH4HywIEeusmH6oGX1ploL8j9rOS8_HJtrk/edit BBTAG v2.x Drive Gap Frame Data by Pokedude (TESTING STILL IN PROCESS)]
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